Old 10-27-2006, 03:21 PM   #1
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Default A few Rejects to Consider

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rejected for similar photo, but the only one closest to it is the previous reject. or possible similar to the one that made it taken from ground level
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=301702
rejected for bad angle, would there have been a "better" angle?
any suggestions would be helpful.

and now the other one that made it..
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Old 10-27-2006, 04:51 PM   #2
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Here are my thoughts:
First one
Downward angle is too steep, train is too close to you and it just doesn't feel right

Second one
Train isn't centered in the frame and thus looks odd

Third one
No as bad as the other two, has potential but would sit on the other side of the track farther around the corner (at train level) and hit it with a telephoto.

These are just my thoughts based on the composition of the photos, lighting and the like are issues on some.
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Old 10-27-2006, 05:02 PM   #3
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I might take these out of order, but on this one, http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=301707 and the version from the ground that made it in, I would have picked the one that I liked better and submitted that one. I try to stay away from posting shots that are this similiar on those occassions when I submitt more than one shot of a train. I kinda like the one from above better, but could have been cropped better. But since the one from ground level is in, I'd not worry about it now.

On this one, http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=301707 I don't like the angle. It's too tight and it's too centered.

But on this one, http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=301702 if I were you, I would seriously appeal the hell out of it. I mean, they tell you to get creative and not shoot wedgies, but here we have a shot that is out of the ordinary and has what appears to be a train coming out of the side of a mountain. Shooting from the other side would have given you a typical wedgie.

I bet that shot (the wedgie from the other side) would have made it into the database just fine.

BUT

I think you took a very interesting shot that deserves to be seen. Now, take it for what it's worth. I'm just some guy at a computer. Appeal it though and good luck!


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Old 10-27-2006, 05:13 PM   #4
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No as bad as the other two, has potential but would sit on the other side of the track farther around the corner (at train level) and hit it with a telephoto.
WHAT?!!? Sorry, but why??? The sun doesn't always need to be at your back and in this case nose light is all you need. The composition is killer here. Nice work not going for the standard. Creative = better (most of the time). Makes you wonder what you were standing/sitting/laying on to shoot over the cliff?

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Should be a side shot. The overhead doesn't work with the light you were given.

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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=301705
rejected for similar photo, but the only one closest to it is the previous reject. or possible similar to the one that made it taken from ground level
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Bingo! You only need one.

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rejected for bad angle, would there have been a "better" angle?
NO. This is a great creative shot and I agree with Joe here, I'd
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appeal the hell out of it
LOL Would definitely get a lot of attention if/when accepted. Should have been accepted the first time! Joe was also right in saying that a BORING wedgie would have been accepted but I applaud you in being different (in a good way of course) . Good luck, hope this helped!
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Old 10-27-2006, 07:18 PM   #5
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For the third shot when i saw it in the first i said backlit but when i looked to it many times again i feeled that the backlit is adding to the beauty of the pic.The loco isnot complete in the pic but the idea of this pic and the position is very great.I have asmall question about the ballast under the tracks as i noticed there is asmall area of it coloured with green,So is there agreen ballast?
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Old 10-27-2006, 11:30 PM   #6
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Yeah, I must say, that third shot, with the train coming out of the mountian ROCKS out loud! (Pun intended...)

As for the SD70ACe shots, I would just let 'em go, as you have two very nice photos of the consist already in the Database.

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Old 10-28-2006, 02:03 AM   #7
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I know the green balast is due to the excessive ammounts of copper left behind during the smeltering process of the copper, which leaves behind the balast material.. or maybe I think I need to work the photo over a little so the balast is more true to the correct color, I think the over all color is slightly off, but I couldn't get rid fo the blue glare on top of the locomotive..

Here I'll post a scaled down version of the original un touched..
and tell me if I recropped it different.. maybe the screeners figured I might have been right up close to the track and are trying to discourage that.. or I could be halucinating.. let me know what you think..

With the engine any further out, the shadow becomes too distracting and ruins the shot.
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Old 10-28-2006, 02:31 AM   #8
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Try a crop like this:
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With the train in the center of the original photo, I think a vertical crop paints a better picture of the situation (no pun intended). Gets rid of the deadspace as well. The rock face is important not the road in this photo.
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Personally, I prefer the tighter crop on it, though maybe not as tight as the rejected version. I'd love for a screener to post some feedback on this shot. I'd make it a PCA no doubt!


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oooh, now look what you done, you done planted seeds of hope and desire in my head.. I'll work with it some more.. maybe if we could get a screener's input.. let's see what the future brings, I did appeal the first.. but haven't heard back as of yet.
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IMO i like the edit version of Andrew as really you need to make the mountain amajor element in the pic with the train.
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Third one
No as bad as the other two, has potential but would sit on the other side of the track farther around the corner (at train level) and hit it with a telephoto.
Boring Im with Andrew on this one. This SD40-2 shot it really cool and interesting. It would be a boring, plain SD40-2 shot if you went that route. Wonka, your shot is a cool, fresh shot from a totally unique angle and its getting away from that "wedge" state of mind. Sorry RP.net staff, but youre stepping on another creative shot, again...

Appeal the hell out of it! And try Fredricks crop. IMO, It adds just enough detail off to the right side to balance out the outrcopping.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=301705
Thats a great shot, I would think it would have been rejected because of the shadow...
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And here is the beauty

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Nice to see it accepted to the database.
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I actually found out today it made it in.. I'm quite satisfied. I'll still try to make it out to get some different angles of that curve and see if I can get more shots from that stretch and beyond, it's got some great potential.
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First, glad to see that shot and that crop of the shot made it in. With that said, I am interested in seeing what a shot from the other side would look like. I love going to the same place multiple times and getting different looks of the same location.


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Consider it done, just so you'll have an idea.. "the other side" is down the hill, and If I wanted to be level with the railraod, I would be in a very dangerous place, so it would be looking up.. but from that vantage point I would possibly on the light side of the train (provided I don't wait too many weeks) and may come out with some interesting shots.. I'll fill you in when I get out there again.
Another options is to go in the morning light and hope a train shows up from the other direction. It's a single lane road, so traffic is limited to one train at a time there. It's hard to tell what UP has up their sleeve, but I'm sure by the grace of God I can get some great shots in from there. I feel pretty lucky in getting that one, considereing I climbed up there and moments later the train showed up, the only reason I was as ready as I was, is because of the track noise, couldn't hear the train at all till it rounded the corner due to the cliffs deflecting the sound out to the lake and beyond.
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