Old 08-27-2013, 02:46 PM   #1
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When I opened up the rejection it looked like maybe they were right and it could use a dash of CW - but looking closer that would make the bridge unlevel (and I think the bridge is the one thing I know is level in real life).

Need leveling guidance.

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Old 08-27-2013, 03:02 PM   #2
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Sure, Charles, ignore every single thing in the frame but the bridge!

Ignore the bridge and level.

The bridge is level, but the perspective is such that the bridge need not appear level when translated into the flat surface of a photo.
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Hi Charles,

I can't put a grid on it from the computer I'm on, but to my eye, everything needs some CW rotation. All of the poles and the lead locomotive are leaning to the left. Poles are notorious for not being perfectly plumb, but when everything else in the foreground has the same look, an adjustment is probably warranted.
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The bridge is level, but the perspective is such that the bridge need not appear level when translated into the flat surface of a photo.
The bridge deck or the bridge supports? The bridge supports are leaning to the left like everything else in the photo. Those should definitely appear to be level.
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The bridge deck or the bridge supports? The bridge supports are leaning to the left like everything else in the photo. Those should definitely appear to be level.
To be clearer, and more general. Horizontal lines that are level in real life need not appear level when translated from three dimensions into the flat two dimensions of a photo, when the line is

a) above or below what I will call the axis of vision, for lack of knowing the right term, that being the line perpendicular to the sensor in all directions that sticks out the front of the camera, and

b) is not parallel to that sensor but rather is "going away" on one side or the other.

In this case the camera is not pointed directly at the bridge but rather angled to the right (to capture the train) and the horizontal lines of the bridge are above the camera.

This is why one should "level" first by looking for available true verticals (near the center) rather than horizontals and make them perfectly vertical.
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I'd level off the first containers on the train. Looks to need .5% CW.
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To be clearer, and more general. Horizontal lines that are level in real life need not appear level when translated from three dimensions into the flat two dimensions of a photo, when the line is

a) above or below what I will call the axis of vision, for lack of knowing the right term, that being the line perpendicular to the sensor in all directions that sticks out the front of the camera, and

b) is not parallel to that sensor but rather is "going away" on one side or the other.

In this case the camera is not pointed directly at the bridge but rather angled to the right (to capture the train) and the horizontal lines of the bridge are above the camera.

This is why one should "level" first by looking for available true verticals (near the center) rather than horizontals and make them perfectly vertical.
"I meant that the bridge deck is level" would have sufficed.
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"I meant that the bridge deck is level" would have sufficed.
A wee bit of excess in explanation, is that a sin?
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A wee bit of excess in explanation, is that a sin?
Nah, I appreciated it. I just like to use the "...would have sufficed" phrase whenever I can.
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Nah, I appreciated it. I just like to use the "...would have sufficed" phrase whenever I can.

"Thank you, honey! A simple kiss would have sufficed!"
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Get a room.
I was pseudo-quoting Jim's love life, in which I have no involvement whatsoever.
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I was pseudo-quoting Jim's love life, in which I have no involvement whatsoever.
Perhaps, but know we know what doesn't bother him.
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