Old 01-10-2011, 05:17 PM   #1
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This was rejected for bad cropping.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=893789&key=0

Now, I know it might not make it, even with a re-crop. But still, I'd like to have another crack at it.

Can some of you chaps advise on what would be an acceptable (to RP) crop?

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Old 01-10-2011, 05:26 PM   #2
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There's too much space on top. It looks as though cutting off the roof was an accident.

I would crop the top off down to the station sign. RP might want a tighter crop than that, but I would start off with that.
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I'm not sure why you cut off the gable of the roof and the far left?
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Old 01-10-2011, 06:32 PM   #4
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Well done, interesting shot, hope it gets on. Hope a crop of the top is sufficient. Would have been interesting to see an alternative with more on top, left, and right (both rails).
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I tried again with this, but got rejected again.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=893830&key=0

This time for Poor Composition/Balance. I'm not sure if this is an improvement on Bad Cropping, or whether I'm going backwards.

In any event, I think I'll knock it on the head.
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Old 01-10-2011, 09:22 PM   #6
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I tried again with this, but got rejected again.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=893830&key=0

This time for Poor Composition/Balance. I'm not sure if this is an improvement on Bad Cropping, or whether I'm going backwards.

In any event, I think I'll knock it on the head.
I see what you're going for. You could crop the area left of the signal box, as it's rather dark.
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Old 01-10-2011, 09:49 PM   #7
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I'd be tempted to try cropping down to just the window and the station sign, unless that costs you too much in terms of image quality.

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I tried again with this, but got rejected again.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=893830&key=0

This time for Poor Composition/Balance. I'm not sure if this is an improvement on Bad Cropping, or whether I'm going backwards.

In any event, I think I'll knock it on the head.
Don't give it up yet! It's a very interesting shot...nice colors and very moody. This is the first thing my eyes saw when I viewed the larger image in your second rejection:
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Don't give it up yet! It's a very interesting shot...nice colors and very moody. This is the first thing my eyes saw when I viewed the larger image in your second rejection:
BINGO, nice
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Jim's crop is exactly what I was going to suggest. Try that before you give up on the shot.

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Thanks Jim, Janusz and Chris. I loved your crop.

Unfortunately, the screener didn't...............

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=399177197

Still Bad Composition/Balance.

Any other ideas, or is the best idea the bin?

The correct crop (in the screener's opinion, at any rate) is not so obvious. The one recommended by some old respected hands on the forum hasn't been accepted.

This is one of those cases when it would be really handy to get a steer from the screeners. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't expect full info and/or advice on every rejection, but this one seems to have the experts flummoxed.

Chris K, if you have a mo, is there any chance you could help me? Even if it's only to say forget it!
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Thanks Jim, Janusz and Chris. I loved your crop.

Unfortunately, the screener didn't...............
Count me a fan, too.

Just think, currently the only thing that makes this a "poor" image verse an acceptable image is a difference in opinion. Had either Jim, Janusz, Chris or myself screened the revised photo it would be in the database.

I'd consider an appeal. It's a nice capture. At this point, we only know for sure that one screener disagrees with the five of us. Two at the most.

Good luck! It would be nice to see something unique like that in the database. Unique and true to life, no less.

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Thanks Jim, Janusz and Chris. I loved your crop.

Unfortunately, the screener didn't...............

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=399177197

Still Bad Composition/Balance.

Any other ideas, or is the best idea the bin?
Well, maybe they'd been willing to accept the crop if a piece of paper was in one of the windows.
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I agree with Jim, something like this would probably get accepted,though you may need to crop tighter.........
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Try cutting half the building off, it seems if you cut half the lead engine off for a picture of a long hood forward engine it gets on.
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Just when I thought I understood the rules here they go and change. So all pictures now must have weather reports included and have a piece of paper showing along with an SD60 with the nose cut off and a Ferrari on abandoned tracks? This is one tough crowd.
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Thanks Jim, Janusz and Chris. I loved your crop.

Unfortunately, the screener didn't...............

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=399177197

Still Bad Composition/Balance.

Any other ideas, or is the best idea the bin?
Graham FWIW and I have been getting my fair share of cropping rejects lately, I thought the focus needs to be more on the signal box and signalman something along the lines of your original crop, and I think the shiny rails and less signals and sky cancels out the imbalance. Just my thoughts. Mark.

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Mark, that looks pretty good, too. Putting the curved track as the focus on the right side works well.
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Just when I thought I understood the rules here they go and change. So all pictures now must have weather reports included and have a piece of paper showing along with an SD60 with the nose cut off and a Ferrari on abandoned tracks? This is one tough crowd.
I have breaking news: an SD60 is no longer a guaranteed acceptance. Even a leaser SD60. I am heartbroken.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=472138139

I'm not sure why exactly this is a bad angle, but then again, I dont know what "the paper" has to do with railroad photography either. But again, my pic is nothing more than a wedgie, so I can certainly live with it...
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Did I just do it?



On a serious note, I really liked Januz's edit of it, I thought that would definitely do the trick. It was a little dark, but that's the point.
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Maybe this crop?

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I have breaking news: an SD60 is no longer a guaranteed acceptance. Even a leaser SD60. I am heartbroken.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=472138139

I'm not sure why exactly this is a bad angle, but then again, I dont know what "the paper" has to do with railroad photography either. But again, my pic is nothing more than a wedgie, so I can certainly live with it...
Cut off the train, the sidelight is blagh. Wouldve been better if you shot more heads on. RP clearly finds SD60's too important to be included in such a shot.
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Maybe this crop?

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Some great suggestions here chaps. I was tempted to give it some motion blur and say it was a zoom pan (no-one's ever thought of that, have they?)

In the end, I submitted Mark's crop.

Rejected again, I'm afraid.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1245493051

This time for Underexposed.

OK Mr. Screener, I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but even I get the message in the end......YOU JUST DON'T WANT THE PICTURE ON THE DB!

Thanks to everyone for their help, sadly now only Flickr and Fotopic beckon.
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