Old 11-25-2012, 02:49 AM   #26
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Since this is the most recent thread about unlevel rejections, I just thought I'd point out this recent example of what must, in the screeners' eyes, be a perfectly level photo.

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It is perfectly level.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:04 AM   #27
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It is perfectly level.
Except where it isn't. The whole image is sliding off to the right . . .

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Old 11-25-2012, 12:19 PM   #28
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I think it is a lot like Dr. Thias telling me that shots taken by others at Pilgrim Hill (see my Avatar photo) in the Cajon Pass are crooked, even though he has never stood on that hill and I have spent hours there over the years and objects in the disputed images look plumb.
That can be said for every photo that has been rejected for being unlevel if the screener, or any of us, has never been to the location. That is certainly not exclusive with me.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:22 PM   #29
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Except where it isn't. The whole image is sliding off to the right . . .

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Yes, the horizon is sliding off to the right...but the horizon isn't always "level." Living in the Appalachians, I certainly know that to be true. In this case, the horizon couldn't be used as a reference. Instead, all the vertical elements in the photo that should be perpendicular are, in fact. That's how I would determine if it were level or not.

Before I sent my first note, I copied the image and used the Photoshop grid to determine if all this was so. Yes, it was. I will admit---on first glance it does appear to be sliding off to right--but a photographer can't be penalized by natural topography.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:42 PM   #30
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I think it is a lot like Dr. Thias telling me that shots taken by others at Pilgrim Hill (see my Avatar photo) in the Cajon Pass are crooked, even though he has never stood on that hill and I have spent hours there over the years and objects in the disputed images look plumb.
I have been there and leveled my camera with a bubble level since everything there is on an angle. Pilgrim Hill is a great place to watch trains. Under a cloudless full moon sky at night waiting for the Southwest Chief to appear is a great experience.
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...but the horizon isn't always "level." Living in the Appalachians, I certainly know that to be true.
Same works for the Mojave and I suspect it could be postulated into a general rule of photography and applied almost anywhere on earth - and perhaps now Mars.


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I have been there and leveled my camera with a bubble level since everything there is on an angle.
You would think that would be enough, but alas.


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Pilgrim Hill is a great place to watch trains.
Agreed, we had a large event up there yesterday.



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Under a cloudless full moon sky at night waiting for the Southwest Chief to appear is a great experience.


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Agreed, we had a large event up there yesterday.


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Under a cloudless full moon sky at night waiting for the Southwest Chief to appear is a great experience.
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We need a password for that link, MassArt. And the forum software does not recognize the URL and it has to be copied/pasted. Try something else, please!
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Put a link in but I can't get a picture up.....Grrrr

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Ok Ron, here is the newest and best rejection for unlevel horizon.



Now, I leveled this based on the signal bridge, but hey -what do I know?
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Ok Ron, here is the newest and best rejection for unlevel horizon.



Now, I leveled this based on the signal bridge, but hey -what do I know?
That's a fantastic shot! And it's level!
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Ok Ron, here is the newest and best rejection for unlevel horizon.

Now, I leveled this based on the signal bridge, but hey -what do I know?
I believe my colleague, Dr. Lowry C.C.W, would agree with my diagnosis that it's leaning slightly to the right.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:24 PM   #39
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I believe my colleague, Dr. Lowry C.C.W, would agree with my diagnosis that it's leaning slightly to the right.
I completely agree with your diagnosis Dr Thias. By eyeball (since I'm at work and not in the leveling lab) I would figure about .5 degrees off.

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And then there is this, a good 2 degrees off CW:

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And unlevel in the other direction:

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Both of these currently Top-of-24 shots.
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In on appeal.

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Same issue on a different Metro line - Bridge is at a slight grade...

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Try leveling the bridge in the back, which has verticals peeking out both above and below the bridge in front.
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To Jim, Loyd and admin - what's it like living in your world? Can you hear dog whistles? Do you find yourselves tilting your head left and right to make sense of the world around you? Read TRAINS magazine with your head tilted 1 degree CCW? Boycott restaurants with photos that are not hung to within a half a pubic monkey hair perpendicular?

I dunno - looking at those pictures an unlevel uneasiness is the furthest thing from my mind...

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I'll admit - the rejected, corrected, accepted images do look better - but for those of us without that sixth sense so finely honed as to within 10th's of a degree pubic monkey hair, please do yourselves and we members a favor and update the rejection reason to state CW or CCW and maybe - no, definitely state what specific object was the reference.

I still wonder if anything under a half a degree is worth the aggravation, at least in appeal.

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I do wish you had tried to answer my question. What is your subject, what did you intend to show, and why was this composition the best means of doing that?
Subject - the Mojave Desert.

My intent was to show how vast the Mojave is, using distant peaks and ranges as backdrops.

I also included a number of clouds and used the sky to contrast with the different colors on the ground.

I also sought to use the poles and the train tracks as a means for the viewer's eye to follow said items from the forefront, through the middle and finally on to a vanishing point in the distance.

Lastly, the sign in the foreground serves as an anchor point for the composition and a subtle locator device - by looking at the engine and the M.P. number, a person will know where this image was captured.

Is it a train photo?

Sure, but this could stand on its own in a number of different forums because there is much more going on there than merely the presence or passage of a train.
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To Jim, Loyd and admin - what's it like living in your world? Can you hear dog whistles? Do you find yourselves tilting your head left and right to make sense of the world around you? Read TRAINS magazine with your head tilted 1 degree CCW? Boycott restaurants with photos that are not hung to within a half a pubic monkey hair perpendicular?
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It didn't bother me as much in the past (and I'm sure I have some on here that are not spot on), but having a photo level is one of the few non subjective points to photography. You can debate over composition, mood, color, etc. all day long long. You can even debate on whether or not it being level is an issue to you. The fact remains that a photo is either level, or it's not.

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