Old 12-17-2007, 06:13 AM   #1
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Thanks to Joe, I have decided for my very first DSLR experience, I'm going to go with the Canon Rebel XTi this holiday season. I've been working double shifts for the last 2 weeks to save up plus I just sold my Canon A640 with a telephoto lens and a whole bunch of other stuff (Like a 1gig SD card and such, but anyways). I ran into a problem this week (xmas shopping for others turned out to be a little more expensive than i thought, plus i gave some money to my fiance to help her out a little bit) but should be able to get the XTi, a 2 gig card, and next day air shipping for a grand total of around 700-710 bucks. Not bad I thought. But I have heard such horror stories with the kit lens! Is the kit lens, for any of you XTi owners out there, THAT bad? I haven't EVER used a DSLR EVER in my life, so this is a learning experience, should I keep the lens to learn how to use and get used to the DSLR? Reason I ask is, I'd like to get this camera this Friday (Paid every Friday, UPS rocks ) and was going to buy it this friday, but then thought, let me ask the guys at RP.net what they think about the kit lens, and if its a horrible lens, then let me wait til the friday after xmas, and get say a 28-200mm USM canon lens or even a 85MM lens at that. BUT, I will be so short it's not even funny so i was hoping to stick with the kit lens, learn how to use the camera, the features, how to work with an SLR and such and then save up even more after xmas to get another lens. What do you all think?

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Old 12-17-2007, 08:51 AM   #2
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Unless you have your heart set on the XTi, you could always go with the XT body to free up some money for some better glass.
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hey, he said he had made up his mind! Don't go trying to persuade him otherwise now
The horror stories about the kit lens are exxagerations, and it's not THAT bad. It's arguably the worst lens in Canon's lineup, but it's simply mediocre, and will produce good pics. If you're pretty serious, you should eventually upgrade to another lens (17-40L comes to mind pretty quickly) but for now, you'll be happy.
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hey, he said he had made up his mind! Don't go trying to persuade him otherwise now
Amen, brother! Ben, get that XTi!

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The horror stories about the kit lens are exxagerations, and it's not THAT bad.
Its not that good, either.

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It's arguably the worst lens in Canon's lineup, but it's simply mediocre, and will produce good pics. If you're pretty serious, you should eventually upgrade to another lens (17-40L comes to mind pretty quickly) but for now, you'll be happy.
I own that lens and I recommend it as well for an affordable L lens.
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Thanks guys, at no point was I going to stay with the kit lens, but rather save up a bit of money again after I get the camera and learn how to use it, pay off the bills again and get another lens. But it sounds like for now I should be ok. Thanks again !

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Ok then, lets sidetrack just a hair and let me ask for someone on a tight budget like myself here lol, what would be a nice affordable lens, for a budget of say oh......200-400 bucks?
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Ok then, lets sidetrack just a hair and let me ask for someone on a tight budget like myself here lol, what would be a nice affordable lens, for a budget of say oh......200-400 bucks?
You might could search online for a good used lens somewhere. Or even a local camera store that sells used gear.

I'd like to back up what trainboy said. I have never upgraded my kit lens. I actually have two now because when my wife surprised me with the new camera, she got the kit lens too. Not bad because if I ever sell the 300D, then I can sell a lens with it. The two times I had a chance to upgrade, I went with the 70 to 200mm f4L and then the 10 to 22 mm. I *might* finally upgrade it this tax season, but chances are, we'll use it for a trip instead.

Hey, Ben, did I read that right? I made you decide to get the XTi. Or was that another joe? Either way, it's a great camera and comes highly recommended from a lot of folks!


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Old 12-17-2007, 01:55 PM   #8
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I've gotten good results with the kit lens. Check any of my <70mm shots prior to August. Or, check out my best shot, taken with the kit lens:

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Ok then, lets sidetrack just a hair and let me ask for someone on a tight budget like myself here lol, what would be a nice affordable lens, for a budget of say oh......200-400 bucks?
Easiest question ever asked on RP forums!!!!

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If you like tele shots, take a look at the 70-200 F4 L... Amazon's got it for $540ish now... I know that's more than you specified... but I think I might start saving for it pretty soon
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for a DSLR beginner, I might suggest a simple 70-300MM lens to compliment your 18-55mm, then upgrade the kit lens to something of substance down the road.
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Glenn raises, or in his post I see, a tough issue. Do you spend your money on one better lens now, and capture better quality images, or do you get two lenses now, and have a greater variety of focal lengths to work with? It's a tradeoff. If your goals are primarily doing a wider variety of shots, then go for two. Also, I don't think the quality differences are so much that they affect RP acceptances of downsized pictures; I eventually upgraded for other reasons. But the difference in quality is quite noticeable.
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Quality over quanity. Get one good lens now to go with your kit lens. As Ween's shot in another thread shows, you can get really good stuff from the kit lens and honestly, working with average gear could make you a better shooter. At the least, it will make you learn the lens so you'll know what to do and what not to do with it.

Get the longer lens now. Later, you may decide to do what I did and get a wide angle and keep the kit lens. So far, it's been four years and I'm still shooting with the kit lens and now I'm on my second DSLR.


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Thanks guys! And yes Joe, you the photographer lol, made me decide for the XTi, i knew your wife was getting you one and needed a first hand experienced user to suade or dissuade me into investing into it. I worked 7 hours and 5 time in a half today, and its not looking to be any better (good for me, that means more hours like today) so HOPEFULLY, I'll be set to get a different type of lens to compliment the kit lens. I think the kit lens should do me good for a month or few, so i'm not that worried right now. Thanks again guys!

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Ben, you sound very down on the kit lens without even trying it. My advice is to use it & see what YOU think, not what others tell you to think.
If you are new to the SLR world, my guess is it will be the best lens you've ever used to date. Once you get to the point where YOU start to realize its limitations, then it's time to worry about upgrading.

More important than any lens is understanding light...once you understand light, you can take great images with any lens.

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Thanks bill! Good advice! I usually don't try to sound "down" on anything, i just rely on others opinions a lot lol thanks again!

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You've got to remember where some of these opinions are coming from! Pixel-peepers, measurebaters, pros who want clear prints all the way to the corners at 24x36....it's not hard to get a quality 8x10 print out of any lens in the Canon lineup. I bet you'll be fine with it! And if you aren't, there's a huge range of lenses in that focal range for you to choose from.
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I see Canon shooters are well represented here. LOL

Just watch out for those lowly, EGAD! Nikon shooters like me!
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...it's not hard to get a quality 8x10 print out of any lens in the Canon lineup.
Only thing hard about it is having to crop to that size, due to Canon's DSLRs having a 4:6 print ratio instead of 4:5.
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Only thing hard about it is having to crop to that size, due to Canon's DSLRs having a 4:6 print ratio instead of 4:5.
Argh, I ALWAYS get 8x10 and 8x12 mixed up....
not hard to crop from 8-10MP on an APS-C, though!
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Canon sucks.
And Nikon swallows. So what's your point?



And Ben, here's a shot I took with my 17-40L on Sunday. It's a nice wide angle lens for the XT (and XTi), and it's a very affordable L lens (relatively speaking).
Just a suggestion.



f/8, 1/500, 100

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And Nikon swallows. So what's your point?
See, Nikon is better.
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But Mike, what if you want to take a picture? It can't be that good for the electronic parts...
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Now now, Canon has it's place, which means making Nikon look great.
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