Old 11-12-2011, 05:37 AM   #1
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,040
Default Flannery and West are Annoyed - Who am I to those greats?

It's just a wedgie with a billboard... but if you do the "slavish rule of thirds" you have to cut off the billboard.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=985929&key=0
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 05:43 AM   #2
Mgoldman
Senior Member
 
Mgoldman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,641
Default

Ugh, you have me backing the screeners, now twice in the same night, lol.

Nice shot, Charles, but you've broken the golden RP rule - one that applies in real life as well. The train is smack dab in the center of the frame. Looks like you have some nice cloud cover, maybe more clouds, bringing the train to the bottom third - or! See if RP is consistent in being inconsistent and maybe you can go for a panoramic.

/Mitch
Mgoldman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 05:52 AM   #3
coborn35
Senior Member
 
coborn35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Duluth, MN
Posts: 1,398
Default

I wish you wouldnt have blocked off some of the billboard.
__________________
I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
Railroad photography is what you make of it, but one way is not "better" than another, IMHO. Unless you have a pole right thought the nose of the engine! -SG
coborn35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 06:19 AM   #4
John West
Senior Curmudgeon
 
John West's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Mill Valley, CA
Posts: 1,081
Smile

With a title like that how could I ignore this thread? I think it is a GREAT image. But to make it greater you really need a billboard with railroad content (Ship by Rail, etc.) and since the rule of thirds is made to be broken, this tighter crop might work better.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg freedricks.jpg (101.2 KB, 194 views)
__________________
John West
See my pix here and
here and here

Last edited by John West; 11-12-2011 at 06:38 AM.
John West is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 09:30 AM   #5
bigbassloyd
Senior Member
 
bigbassloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hilldale, West Virginia
Posts: 3,740
Default

I'm not a fan of catching the billboard behind the train either.

Loyd L.
__________________
Social Media elevates the absurd and mediocre to a point where they aren't anymore, and that is a tragedy.

My personal photography site
bigbassloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 12:45 PM   #6
Ron Flanary
Senior Member
 
Ron Flanary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Big Stone Gap, VA
Posts: 1,327
Default

Well, Charles...it's not like the train could be moved, so you had to work with what you had here. I'm okay with the billboard, but I would have probably used a wide angle and gotten low on the ground for this one.

While it's not a great shot, this is another example of an otherwise acceptable scene for most human beings.

Like John, when I saw the title of the thread this morning, it made me smile. Hopefully I won't be so grouchy today.
Ron Flanary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 01:06 PM   #7
Hatchetman
Part-Time Railfan
 
Hatchetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,381
Default

The problem we have here is that some people are looking for O Winston Link and others are looking at some of the less interesting shots that get accepted. The latter say "why not me?" while the former say "It doesn't compare to the great masterworks of the genre." True, but....
Hatchetman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 01:15 PM   #8
JRMDC
Senior Member
 
JRMDC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 11,202
Default

Sorry, Charles, I say no. That may be because I learned, early on, that a "merge" is something to be avoided. Here, the overlap of engine and billboard is to my eye a significant flaw. The elements of the shot are almost literally in conflict, in an uninteresting, distracting conflict, rather than being juxtaposed.
__________________
My RP pix are here.
My Flickr pix are here.

My commentaries on rail pictures are in my blog.

RP Photo Albums:
Cabooses
Engine Details
Farm and Train
Plumes!
Railroad Details
Signal Details
Switchstand Shots
JRMDC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 01:29 PM   #9
troy12n
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 5,333
Default

Do you have a frame where the billboard isnt growing out of the lead locomotive? Also, what the hell is the billboard trying to communicate?
troy12n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 01:40 PM   #10
wds
Senior Member
 
wds's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 793
Default

Well, well!

Image © Charles J Freericks
PhotoID: 380815
Photograph © Charles J Freericks


A little bit of cropping and yer golden!
__________________
Click Here to view my photos at RailPictures.Net!
wds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 01:43 PM   #11
troy12n
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 5,333
Default

I think another 6 page email to the screeners is in process...
troy12n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 01:55 PM   #12
Ron Flanary
Senior Member
 
Ron Flanary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Big Stone Gap, VA
Posts: 1,327
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by troy12n View Post
I think another 6 page email to the screeners is in process...
Not from me!!! Congrats, Charles.

O. Winston Link
Ron Flanary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 02:07 PM   #13
troy12n
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 5,333
Default

If you lived in Georgia, and wanted to incorporate a billboard into a railroad scene, you could catch one of these infamous billboards on the Valdosta District of NS

troy12n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 05:09 PM   #14
John West
Senior Curmudgeon
 
John West's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Mill Valley, CA
Posts: 1,081
Default

After posting last night the thought crossed my mind that if the billboard had a pretty lady on it we might have an RP multi-thousand hitter on our hands.
__________________
John West
See my pix here and
here and here
John West is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 06:01 PM   #15
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,040
Default

Thanks for all the help guys - although I must admit to be confused by Hatchetman's comment. Am I the one who thinks I'm OWL? Hardly... but with 200 pictures a day being accepted, I don't believe that's the standard anyway.

No, it's not a great shot... but I think the back of the billboard is negligible... I wanted the billboard facing me to be clean of obstruction... honestly didn't even think about the one facing the other way. (That's not to say I'm right, but it's a small issue for me.)

Again, really just a well-lit wedgie of a warbonnet... but I liked it, even if it solidly plants me deep in the category of mediocre.
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 06:12 PM   #16
trainboysd40
Senior Member
 
trainboysd40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Calgary, Alberta on the CP Laggan Subdivision
Posts: 2,048
Send a message via MSN to trainboysd40
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by troy12n View Post
I think another 6 page email to the screeners is in process...
What did I miss?
__________________
got a D5 IIi and now he doesnt afread fo 12800 iSO
Youtube (Model Railway, Vlogs, Tutorials, and prototype)
My Website
Obligatory link to shots on RP, HERE
trainboysd40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 06:39 PM   #17
JRMDC
Senior Member
 
JRMDC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 11,202
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by trainboysd40 View Post
What did I miss?
I think Troy meant 6 paragraphs, not 6 pages. See post #33 of this thread:

http://forums.railpictures.net/showthread.php?t=14551
__________________
My RP pix are here.
My Flickr pix are here.

My commentaries on rail pictures are in my blog.

RP Photo Albums:
Cabooses
Engine Details
Farm and Train
Plumes!
Railroad Details
Signal Details
Switchstand Shots
JRMDC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 06:55 PM   #18
coborn35
Senior Member
 
coborn35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Duluth, MN
Posts: 1,398
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freericks View Post
Thanks for all the help guys - although I must admit to be confused by Hatchetman's comment. Am I the one who thinks I'm OWL? Hardly... but with 200 pictures a day being accepted, I don't believe that's the standard anyway.

No, it's not a great shot... but I think the back of the billboard is negligible... I wanted the billboard facing me to be clean of obstruction... honestly didn't even think about the one facing the other way. (That's not to say I'm right, but it's a small issue for me.)

Again, really just a well-lit wedgie of a warbonnet... but I liked it, even if it solidly plants me deep in the category of mediocre.
It looks like you kinda got cloud screwed...
__________________
I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
Railroad photography is what you make of it, but one way is not "better" than another, IMHO. Unless you have a pole right thought the nose of the engine! -SG
coborn35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 07:13 PM   #19
JimThias
Senior Member
 
JimThias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 9,800
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freericks View Post

Again, really just a well-lit wedgie of a warbonnet... but I liked it, even if it solidly plants me deep in the category of mediocre.
Just curious...why didn't you take a few steps back and one or two to the right to separate the loco and the billboard?
__________________
.
Rhymes with slice, rice and mice, and probably should be spelled like "Tice."

This pretty much sums it up: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thias
JimThias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 07:53 PM   #20
Ron Flanary
Senior Member
 
Ron Flanary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Big Stone Gap, VA
Posts: 1,327
Default

"I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
Railroad photography is what you make of it, but one way is not "better" than another, IMHO. Unless you have a pole right thought the nose of the engine! -SG"


That's certainly not coming from me---unless you're misinterpreting some of my comments. It wouldn't matter to me if RP accepted 5000 sunny day wedge shots every day, because they would all constitute competent shots (arguably boring---but competent). My concern is that those shots that push the envelope, in terms of expressiveness and creativity, are quicker to get the old reject button. That's not universally true, but it happens more times than it doesn't.

Every photographer who contributes something to RP should be their own guy. To each his own, I say...
Ron Flanary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 08:12 PM   #21
JRMDC
Senior Member
 
JRMDC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 11,202
Default

Ron, where is this quote from?
__________________
My RP pix are here.
My Flickr pix are here.

My commentaries on rail pictures are in my blog.

RP Photo Albums:
Cabooses
Engine Details
Farm and Train
Plumes!
Railroad Details
Signal Details
Switchstand Shots
JRMDC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 08:31 PM   #22
coborn35
Senior Member
 
coborn35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Duluth, MN
Posts: 1,398
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Flanary View Post
"I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
Railroad photography is what you make of it, but one way is not "better" than another, IMHO. Unless you have a pole right thought the nose of the engine! -SG"


That's certainly not coming from me---unless you're misinterpreting some of my comments. It wouldn't matter to me if RP accepted 5000 sunny day wedge shots every day, because they would all constitute competent shots (arguably boring---but competent). My concern is that those shots that push the envelope, in terms of expressiveness and creativity, are quicker to get the old reject button. That's not universally true, but it happens more times than it doesn't.

Every photographer who contributes something to RP should be their own guy. To each his own, I say...
Is your name Steve Glischinski, aka SG?
__________________
I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
Railroad photography is what you make of it, but one way is not "better" than another, IMHO. Unless you have a pole right thought the nose of the engine! -SG
coborn35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 08:32 PM   #23
coborn35
Senior Member
 
coborn35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Duluth, MN
Posts: 1,398
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JRMDC View Post
Ron, where is this quote from?
Its from my signature. Its a quote by Steve Glischinski
__________________
I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
Railroad photography is what you make of it, but one way is not "better" than another, IMHO. Unless you have a pole right thought the nose of the engine! -SG
coborn35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 09:58 PM   #24
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,040
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
Just curious...why didn't you take a few steps back and one or two to the right to separate the loco and the billboard?
Didn't bother me at the time. Hindsight's 20/20 and I would probably do that if I was standing there now... but I was honestly just focused on the train and the billboard facing me. The rest was white noise (not saying I'm right... just explaining what happened).
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2011, 10:53 PM   #25
Hatchetman
Part-Time Railfan
 
Hatchetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,381
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freericks View Post
Thanks for all the help guys - although I must admit to be confused by Hatchetman's comment. Am I the one who thinks I'm OWL? Hardly... but with 200 pictures a day being accepted, I don't believe that's the standard anyway.
No, no. I'm just rambling. I tend to speak in nebulous terms and people usually don't understand what I'm talking about. I think your shot should have been accepted in the first place. I'm not looking for every shot to be amazing.
Hatchetman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.