Old 11-16-2013, 01:48 AM   #1
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Normally don't need help on this stuff, but going to ask on this one. Probably something obvious, but can't hurt to have another set of eyes look at it.

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Old 11-16-2013, 02:06 AM   #2
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Needs a bit of CCW. It's very wide and you leveled the left hand side, living the right hand side leaning quite a bit. You need to center the center of the frame, not the road.
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Old 11-16-2013, 02:08 AM   #3
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I am with Charles on the cropping suggestion, but think it could use some CW, not CCW.
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Old 11-16-2013, 02:21 AM   #4
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Thanks Charles and Troy, will try the cropping suggestion and look at both leveling ideas.
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I'd go CCW, get the signal bridge's vertical sections and the container corners straight. I might dial down the saturation just a tad too, but what do i know...
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Your other option is to use the distortion tool and pull the left side out until the poles and the signal bridge becomes parallel with the left side of the computer screen.
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:31 AM   #7
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I'd say one micron CCW - or, take that tower above the last engine and clone it out - remember, it's not whether it IS level on RP, it's whether it LOOKS level in every possible respect including but not limited to leaning poles that can be fixed.

Another alternative is to post another day and catch a screener who could give a rats @$$ about such minutia.

Charles says CCW, Troy says CW - can you imagine the embarrassment RP would face if such an image were to be accepted - one that is leaning an imperceptible amount to the right... or maybe possibly to the left?

Holloran's advice is good too... but you just may start pulling your hair out before one screener concedes.

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Old 11-16-2013, 12:19 PM   #8
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can you imagine the embarrassment RP would face if such an image were to be accepted - one that is leaning an imperceptible amount to the right... or maybe possibly to the left?
All one has to do is peruse this thread for a magnanimous number of extremely unlevel shots
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:40 AM   #9
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I CCW the pic based on the doors and window of the second unit.

Also I did a ROT (Rule Of Thirds) crop though I would have liked more on the right.


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Old 11-17-2013, 01:49 AM   #10
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Ya Dennis, but no one has mentioned the 5000 lb. elephant in the room - being that is this image is soft as a new born's bottom.

It might also qualify as a Kincade style landscape as well.

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Ya Dennis, but no one has mentioned the 5000 lbs. elephant in the room - being that is this image is soft as a new born's bottom.

It might also qualify as a Kincade style landscape as well.
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I am with Charles on the cropping suggestion, but think it could use some CW, not CCW.
Troy, do you see that electrical tower in the near-center of the image in the background? Which way is it leaning?
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Old 11-18-2013, 04:11 AM   #13
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Thanks for all your tips guys, but I think I'll leave this one in the vault. Thanks again, your insight is much appreciated.
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Troy, do you see that electrical tower in the near-center of the image in the background? Which way is it leaning?
I dont see it, because I have already mentally cloned it out.


But I see your point now.
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I dont see it, because I have already mentally cloned it out.
I'll buy that.
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I'll buy that.
Exactly. Aint nobody got time for that!
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:38 PM   #17
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Thanks for all your tips guys, but I think I'll leave this one in the vault. Thanks again, your insight is much appreciated.
And yet another appealing and better then average image that may or may not have been an atom or two off horizon gets left out of the database to make way for the less appealing yet perfectly level average roster wedge shots.

Hopefully, only an image and not a patron lost.

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And yet another appealing and better then average image that may or may not have been an atom or two off horizon gets left out of the database to make way for the less appealing yet perfectly level average roster wedge shots.

Hopefully, only an image and not a patron lost.

/Mitch
Lets not go overboard here. It was a subpar image at best that could of/should of been rejected for a number of reasons; poor cropping, unsharpened, unlevel, backlit... take your pick. The way the OP would of been really scared away from the site would be when he resubmitted and got nailed for something else.
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Lets not go overboard here. It was a subpar image at best that could of/should of been rejected for a number of reasons; poor cropping, unsharpened, unlevel, backlit... take your pick. The way the OP would of been really scared away from the site would be when he resubmitted and got nailed for something else.
I agree. It could'f, should'f and would'f been rejected had I been a screener.

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It could'f, should'f and would'f
Were you born in the south?

They have a bad habit of saying "should of, would of, could of" instead of
"should've, could've , would've." And they actually use the word "of."

And by they, I mean me also.
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Old 11-19-2013, 01:17 AM   #21
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Hopefully, only an image and not a patron lost.

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No way I'm leaving this place, Mitch! I've learned to deal with rejections on this site a long time ago, this is just the first time I've asked for help on the forums.
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No way I'm leaving this place, Mitch! I've learned to deal with rejections on this site a long time ago, this is just the first time I've asked for help on the forums.
Ah, a glutton for punishment! Welcome to the club.

Glad to hear it as a look at your portfolio on RP is pretty impressive.

(I'm having a hard enough time as it is finding and enjoying former RP patron's images off site).

By the way - who's your shrink?

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Jeeze - that sounds so negative... You'd think I had just dealt with 10 unlevel rejections in a row only to submit an image nearly indistinguishable from the first shot.

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I think I just got a second screener.

I assume this was the first screener:

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Old 11-19-2013, 04:35 AM   #23
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For what it's worth - I think you could resubmit - rotate .000000000000000000001 CCW and maybe bring the train a little lower (less centered) in the frame. Not sure what John is talking about regarding the other issues - unless he's looking at Dennis's (Jim's?) edit of an edit which went soft. Kind of hard to get glint without being back lit.

And as for subpar images and issues - what image on RP exist without fault that could be instantly pointed out in the Forums? Heck, the insight is interesting (and even sometimes insightful) but could you imagine the response to a photo by O'Winston Link, Richard Steinheimer or let's see... who takes great diesel pics? Tom and /or Mike Danneman? The list of issues would be so long RP would need to get additional hard drives.

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Ah, a glutton for punishment! Welcome to the club.

Jeeze - that sounds so negative... You'd think I had just dealt with 10 unlevel rejections in a row only to submit an image nearly indistinguishable from the first shot.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...72&key=1694287

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I think I just got a second screener.

I assume this was the first screener:
Congratulations Mitch, you just won screener roulette

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Wow, I think you might have me beat for most repetitive rejections.

I find it interesting (and sad) that just about all of my most viewed images have been rejected at least twice, and some as much as eight times over really ridiculous reasons.

The rejection I find most frustrating is the "bad cropping" rejection which for a veteran of RP means "I" or "we" just don't like the composition of the image, but we won't PEQ it.

I was really afraid they would not take this one because it has all that space on the right side.

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However, all that space is the point of the photo - and obviously it gets looked at.

Too bad too, because I have other shots that would view really well, but they won't get in the DB because they are out of the box and there are no motorcycles in the tree.
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