Old 07-25-2012, 02:44 AM   #1
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Lightbulb A nice HDR shot.

Usually I am not a big fan of HDR's, but when used well, it makes a nice look.

I especially like the texture in the clouds and in the vegetation of the foreground.

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Old 07-25-2012, 05:10 AM   #2
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It's a really nice photograph.
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Old 07-25-2012, 03:10 PM   #3
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I thought HDR would get you a overprocessed reject?

I'm not saying Mr. Crisanti's isn't good. Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome image.

My question is: did this one simply fall between the cracks, or is RP changing its policies on HDR photos?

The latter would be a pretty good thing, actually (IMO).
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This is hardly the first HDR shot to get on RP, Mathieu.
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If you HDR your shot out the A, you'll most certainly get an overprocessed rejection. However, if you do a little, for example, to put detail back in the clouds, etc, you're probably gonna be alright.
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I thought HDR would get you a overprocessed reject?


My question is: did this one simply fall between the cracks, or is RP changing its policies on HDR photos?

The 'policy' is that there is no official policy.

I posed the question to Chris S. in an email regarding specific types of post processing, and that was the answer given. I was curious before I uploaded this one:

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In his words, if the shot looked realistic and the processing didnt alter the scene physically (cloning, etc) then it's up to the screener as normal.

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If HDR is used to represent a scene how it actually appears to the human eye then I think it will be fine. What will probably get a rejection is the excessively tonemapped images, HDR in itself isnt what creates the abstract painterly like images, its the tonemapping.
This one one was a pseudo HDR, in real life I could see the details inside the building and the train outside perfectly, but the camera could only see one or the other.
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As long as the processed shot isn't Hicks'd or Dewitz'd, it has a chance to get on!
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It kinda looks like HDR, but are you sure it is? I am not sure how to tell on this one.
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I am not sure how to tell on this one.
Look at a lot of HDR's.

How else would one get a usual RR landscape image to have this type of depth.

It gets back to what nikos1 said, he could see what it was supposed to look like, but the camera could not catch it right.

Bottom line, I just don't see how this is not an HDR, or run through a similar process.
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None of these are HDR shots unless multiple exposures were taken and combined later in photoshop or some other similar program. And using the shadow/highlights tool in photoshop does not means it's an HDR image.
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Maybe it's cropped in? EXIF says f7.1. not sure that would give you perfectly in focus weeds two feet away.
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None of these are HDR shots unless multiple exposures were taken and combined later in photoshop or some other similar program. And using the shadow/highlights tool in photoshop does not means it's an HDR image.
You can do it with a single image and in this case that is probably what was done since the train was presumably moving at the time.

The HDR process makes a more pronounced affect with multiple images, but selecting certain areas of an image for selective treatment causes the same effect with just a single image.

Sure you can argue semantics, but the processing on this image is not what is usually done.
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Is this any different from using masks and layers?
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Hi guys, to answer anyone's questions on how I processed the shot, I basically cropped it and such. I did use the shadows/highlights tool like Jim mentioned above. But I used the spot contrasting technique that I learned from Mr. Dewitz.
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You can do it with a single image and in this case that is probably what was done since the train was presumably moving at the time.

The HDR process makes a more pronounced affect with multiple images, but selecting certain areas of an image for selective treatment causes the same effect with just a single image.

Sure you can argue semantics, but the processing on this image is not what is usually done.
You can do anything with a single image, but you can't do HDR. The "HDR process" involves multiple images, not one manipulated and then combined. And it's not semantics. You might as well call a peach a plum.
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Cm'on, Jim, it's more like calling a peach a nectarine, and vice versa. Or maybe more like calling a peach cobbler a peach pie or vice versa. Pseudo-HDR is for all practical purposes the same as HDR; I don't think that whether the two images originally have the same exposure (pseudo-HDR) or not (HDR) much matters. What's the big deal, psuedo-purist?
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He likes his images level, and his HDR's genuine..

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Cm'on, Jim, it's more like calling a peach a nectarine, and vice versa. Or maybe more like calling a peach cobbler a peach pie or vice versa. Pseudo-HDR is for all practical purposes the same as HDR; I don't think that whether the two images originally have the same exposure (pseudo-HDR) or not (HDR) much matters. What's the big deal, psuedo-purist?
Look, just because some nutjob on some forum somewhere started referring to a single exposure manipulated in photoshop as "HDR," it doesn't mean that the naive masses automatically had to follow along like sheeple. That's the problem here. Just call it what it is: Shadow/Highlights treatment.

Oh, and I started with "peaches and nectarines" but then I realized they were too similar as compared to the difference between HDR and what is referred to as "psuedo HDR."


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Look, just because some nutjob on some forum somewhere started referring to a single exposure manipulated in photoshop as "HDR," it doesn't mean that the naive masses automatically had to follow along like sheeple.
Oh, yeah, right, ""nutjob," because this distinction is something that means a person who disagrees with you is absolutely bonkers.
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Just call it what it is: Shadow/Highlights treatment.
Actually, I will push back some more. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong! - but I believe there is a major difference between pseudo HDR and shadows/highlights. The former is done of what comes out of one original and thus is necessarily restricted to the dynamic range of the original. If you take the original raw and convert it twice, once for darks and once for light, one gets a wider range for subsequent melding. I agree that melding is analogous to shadows/highlights, albeit with much more control (itself enough of a distinction to justify a separate name).

If one is shooting JPG then I don't know if one can increase the dynamic range by doing pseudo HDR, but with raw as I understand things there is more dynamic range than gets represented in the subsequent JPG file, so there is a gain with pseudo HDR that is simply unachievable with shadows/highlights applied to a single image, justifying the separate name. And, in my view, making the technique much closer in process/mechanism, underlying concept, and to some extent in range of possible adjustment, to HDR than to shadows highlights.

Put it another way: to call pseudo HDR by a name more appropriate to your view of the world, pseudo shadows/highlights, or better, meta shadows/highlights, is just plain silly on the face of it.

I understand that with true HDR one can make original exposures that are many stops apart, thus capture much wider dynamic range than psuedo HDR does.
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J, you're always good for a discussion on HDR. Very entertaining.

Actually, there is pretty much no difference between "psuedo HDR" and the shadow/highlights treatment. Each accomplish the same thing with a single exposure. The means by which they are accomplished are slightly different, but the end result is the same. Just like there are various ways to sharpen an image.
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