Old 09-17-2012, 05:48 AM   #1
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I'm not a fan of the additional adornment that NS/Casey is putting on its recent uploads. Major distraction/detraction for me!

I do like that blue hour roster shot, though, nice!

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Old 09-17-2012, 05:53 AM   #2
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Still better than the RP watermark
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Agreed, if you are going to place to watermarks I think it might look nicer either smaller or place both together.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:48 PM   #4
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I hate all watermarks! . I know what website this is, and I know who took the photo. I don't need to see it within the image.

Watermarks do very little to prevent / deter theft of a barely usable internet sized file..

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I hate all watermarks! . I know what website this is, and I know who took the photo. I don't need to see it within the image.

Watermarks do very little to prevent / deter theft of a barely usable internet sized file..

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Sometimes it is about advertising. When a photo get taken off the site by someone or even Google images, it is a way to show who the photo belongs too.

I'm also sure a lot of people that stumble onto RP think that the photos all belong to RP.
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These are not RR photos, they are adds plain and simple.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:22 PM   #7
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I thought the rules said:

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These are not RR photos, they are adds plain and simple.
concur. not a lot of fun IMO. but I don't click on them anyway.
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These are not RR photos, they are adds plain and simple.
Wow. That's a bit harsh.

But I do agree that the new "Steam" watermark is a bit much. If the image gets pulled up in Google Images or someone thieves it off RP, what is that "steam" watermark going to tell anyone that the NS watermark doesn't already do?
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El Roco's right, they are "adds." Casey took them for NS and a screener "added" them to the website's database.

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I think he meant he has ADD.
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:00 AM   #12
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Gee, NS does the biggest corporate pro-railfan effort seen in years with 20 very expensive paint jobs and two very expensive employee thank-you trains and you guys get pissed at a tiny rah-rah water mark.
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Wink What is there to be upset about.

I am not pissed at anything, nor am I being harsh.

NS has done a great job promoting their brand and all you fellas back east are helping them do it by hunting down these units and plastering your pictures all over the Internet.

How is that a bad thing?

I think the idea is brilliant.

Still though, the format of these shots doesn't fit the medium of the Site, and that is why the OP posted them.
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So they are not RR photos because a company photographer took them?
Whats the difference between plastering a big RP.net watermark on your shot and putting a NS one on there?
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Whats the difference between plastering a big RP.net watermark on your shot and putting a NS one on there?
I don't think this is what you were asking but and RP logo is to prevent theft and a NS logo is used as an ad and watermark. The OPs issue is that they have two watermarks that are placed in opposite sides and one is very red and sticks out poorly. If I needed to keep the 21st steam I would combine the two logos into one.
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So they are not RR photos because a company photographer took them?
Whats the difference between plastering a big RP.net watermark on your shot and putting a NS one on there?
Really?

If you cannot make that distinction, there is no point in arguing the matter further.
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There is no distinction, seeing how popular the NSCorp photos are, they are the most likely to be stolen so there is just as good an argument for using the watermarks for copyright reasons. What I find harder to fathom is that the placement of a NS watermark makes it no longer a photo but an ad?
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For those who dislike the NS watermark - does the same apply to, say, John Crisanti's?

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Or does it only apply to the watermarks of multi-billion dollar corporations?

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For those who dislike the NS watermark - does the same apply to, say, John Crisanti's?
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Or does it only apply to the watermarks of multi-billion dollar corporations?
I don't care for the NS watermark, but not a big deal. It is the additional "21st Century Steam" watermark that to me is unnecessary and harms the images, makes them a bit garish, despite the underlying quality.

Of course that is not a big deal either! But worthy of comment, I decided.

I do wish the base NS watermark were smaller.
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Why do they need TWO watermarks?
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There is no distinction.............
It is not just the watermark(s).

The photos are produced and distributed as promotional materials for the NS Transportation Corporation.

They are not produced because Casey is out chasing trains for his own amusment.

That makes them adds - plain and simple.

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Correction made here.

And addressing your other concern, I doubt the NS is too worried about the raildorks of the world "stealing" their images and puting them on their FB wall, or as backgrounds - that would actually further the purpose of their efforts, that being to spread the NS brand.

Your hypothesis is like accusing the people at the RR event of "stealing" the swag off the table because they took more than one per person.

It doesn't matter because wherever that pen or key fob ends up, it is still promoting the brand which was the intended purpose in the first place.

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You've failed to provide a reason why these are no longer Railroad photos just because they have NS watermarks on them. Just because NS is using them to promote their steam and heritage program that suddenly removes them from the category of photography and into the category of say a billboard?

So according to you, this is a photograph
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but this is an advertisement

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Yeah that makes sense......
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You've failed to provide a reason why these are no longer Railroad photos just because they have NS watermarks on them.
So according to you, this is a photograph

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Using your words, yes.


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Just because NS is using them to promote their steam and heritage program that suddenly removes them from the category of photography and into the category of say a billboard?
It is evident that you have answered the question by the the way you posed it - yes, they are promotional and therefore they are akin to a postcard or a billboard.


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but this is an advertisement

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Again, you provide all the evidence that is necessary to support the asserted contention.

Photographer: "Norfolk Southern Corp."

Remarks & Notes : "The F's pose next to the Conrail heritage unit at Lamberts Point in Norfolk. For more information, visit www.nscorp.com"

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Image © Casey Thomason
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Photograph © Casey Thomason

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Why do they need TWO watermarks?
The 21st Century Steam is a joint venture with Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum, so the NS logo alone would be cheating TVRM. They could have left off the pure NS loco, I suppose. Just be glad it doesn't have a third - "One line, infinite possibilities" logo.
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. . . yes, they are promotional and therefore they are akin to a postcard or a billboard.
So a postcard isn't a photograph either? And you've never bought a postcard because you liked the picture? Does an Ansel Adams phtograph cease being a photograph because it is sold as a postcard? I'm sorry, but just because it is being used for promotional purposes doesn't mean it isn't a photograph. Indeed, it has to be a photograph before it can become an advertisement, or a postcard, or whatever else. For that matter, if it weren't a decent photograph, it's highly unlikely that it would end up being used as promotional material.

photograph: n. - a picture or likeness obtained by photography (courtesy of the Merriam-Webster online dictionary)

Beyond that, why are any of us submitting our photographs to this site? Isn't it because, in some way or another, we are looking to "promote" our images? We want people to see them, to pay attention to them. Just because we aren't making money doesn't mean that we aren't promoting interest in our activity.

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