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Old 07-07-2012, 04:31 AM   #1
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Default What I've Learned About RP (A Few Post-WICKFEST Observations)

1.) People see heritage units, and they forget how to crop.

2.) People get way too excited, way too easily.

3.) Heritage units turn people into complete a-holes.

4.) I'm really glad I stayed FAR away from Spencer.

Who else is looking forward to seeing the same shots over and over for the rest of our lives?!
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Old 07-07-2012, 04:34 AM   #2
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Having been at Spencer on the 4th, I have to say it wasn't as bad as I expected it to be. Some people are a bit over-zealous, to be sure, but all in all I thought the crowd was decently behaved. Of course, I'm probably not your typical foamer.

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Old 07-07-2012, 04:38 AM   #3
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I've heard the 4th was MUCH more tame than the 3rd.
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Old 07-07-2012, 05:26 AM   #4
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I've heard the 4th was MUCH more tame than the 3rd.
You are correct. All the cool people came on the 4th. A lot less people, and the kinks from the 3rd were fixed on the 4th providing for better photo ops.
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1.) People see heritage units, and they forget how to crop.
I think it should be "Screeners see heritage units, and they forget how to assess cropping."

There are some very fine photos taken at this event posted on RP and I have enjoyed looking at them. By the same token, some other photos of the event accepted are poorly cropped.
Is there a need to accept the poor crops? Surely, there must be hundreds submitted?
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Who else is looking forward to seeing the same shots over and over for the rest of our lives?!
I won't comment on the first several points, to each their own, but on this last point I can note that rp.net has been making very liberal use of the "similar to previous" reject reason. I've tried to only submit a few and thought I was only submitting relatively "unique" shots and have had 3 (of 5 total) knocked down for that reason (one of which I saw after going back and reviewing was the same as a prior although I thought the other two were different enough from anything else). So we shouldn't see a "flood" of similar shots in the next week or two given their approach and despite having a couple of my own knocked down for that I think it's a generally good way for them to approach this issue.

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So we shouldn't see a "flood" of similar shots in the next week or two given their approach
So maybe that "flood" will be turned into a trickle over the next year or two?
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.....but on this last point I can note that rp.net has been making very liberal use of the "similar to previous" reject reason.
I can testify to this myself. On another thread, I noted one shot that I uploaded only to have it canned for STP. I had looked before I submitted, but looked again to make sure I did not miss the previous one. I never found it with the unit in question. I thought maybe they were mistaken or what have you and appealed. Appeal rejected.

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Old 07-07-2012, 08:28 PM   #9
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Thats too bad, thats alot nicer than a few that I have seen accepted, like all the ones with half the frame filled with foamers.
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I can testify to this myself. On another thread, I noted one shot that I uploaded only to have it canned for STP. I had looked before I submitted, but looked again to make sure I did not miss the previous one. I never found it with the unit in question. I thought maybe they were mistaken or what have you and appealed. Appeal rejected.

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Wait six months...or a year before resubmitting. And before you do, level it. It appears to be leaning quite a bit to the right.
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I can testify to this myself. On another thread, I noted one shot that I uploaded only to have it canned for STP. I had looked before I submitted, but looked again to make sure I did not miss the previous one. I never found it with the unit in question. I thought maybe they were mistaken or what have you and appealed. Appeal rejected.

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I did something similar and got the same treatment, except I didn't appeal. But like you I went through to see if there was something that really looked that similar and didn't find it. Maybe it was your reject?

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Old 07-07-2012, 10:04 PM   #12
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Jon, yours is level, but quite underexposed. I can't even see any detail in the trucks on the N&W unit.
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1.)3.) Heritage units turn people into complete a-holes.
Wyatt, that might be true in some cases, but I did not see much of that on Wednesday. I took my 12 year old son with me for the day shoot and was standing with Anthony Davis and a few other folks. Anthony and I are tall enough to shoot over people, but a few times a couple of guys saw my son trying to get a shot with his little Canon Powershot and let him stand at the front of the line to shoot.
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I too was there July 4th and there were more friendly people than a-holes. They staged the units in a few spots as they rolled down the photo line, stopping at each spot for a few minutes. Everyone got their shots and kindly let people take their spots for their shots. Very well orchestrated kindness is how I describe the historical event.
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Jon, yours is level, but quite underexposed. I can't even see any detail in the trucks on the N&W unit.
I can fix the exposure - in 6 months!

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I've been on a few steam photo excursions and it seems that each of them has had 1-2 A--H----. Each of those excursions had around 40 people apiece which gives an AH rate of 2.5-5%.

I was at Spencer on both the 3rd and the 4th and it's my understanding that there were around 4000 people in attendance on the 3rd. Perhaps my experience was unique but while I did run into one or two AH's I did not get the impression that there were between 100-200 AH's at the event. What I did see were numerous person-to-person encounters like those described by others in this thread - that is, people making room for other people and moving aside so others could get a shot.

As for the limited range of photo angles - I agree but then, given the size of the event and the almost endless number of possibilities for man-machine carnage under circumstances such as this the photo angle limitations in the interests of safety were to be expected.

I managed to get a few interesting angles which were accepted on RP and I also have a nice "photo album" of STP's for my own use. I had a wonderful time and I think the exhibition was a credit to both NS and the NCTM staff.
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1.) People see heritage units, and they forget how to crop.

2.) People get way too excited, way too easily.

3.) Heritage units turn people into complete a-holes.

4.) I'm really glad I stayed FAR away from Spencer.

Who else is looking forward to seeing the same shots over and over for the rest of our lives?!
Since we are apparently in a sharing mood, here's what I learned....

I went on the 3rd and had a fine time! It was hot. I met lots of really nice folk.

I am looking forward to seeing the shots I took over and over again. I don't care if you or anybody else I don't know see them or not.

The heritage units are cool! It was really stunning to see them all in one place. Better than I'd hoped.

I'm really glad you stayed far away from Spencer, too.
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I'm really glad you stayed far away from Spencer, too.
Ok, but where is that dollar that you said you would give me to stay home?
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I love the heritage engines, and I'd like to shoot them all eventually. But they are whored out to the point where no one cares now...
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No one cares now? Maybe if RP is the only reason you shoot, the Heritagefest shots were great but the shots on the road will look totally different, I'm still looking forward to shooting them on the point of trains, only been able to shoot the CofG so far.
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Yeah, I could tell no one cares about the Heritage units when that line of cars went by me the other evening when I was waiting on the 8025 and 8114. Three RP photogs were chasing it -- or have loaded shots so far -- but there were way more folks than that, too.
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I care.. but not enough to spend money and deal with that many people in one spot.

I was having too much fun protecting family, and property here anyway..

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This just in:

"Wick Moorman apologizes for inflicting heritage units on "upper crust" of the railfan community. Locomotives will be dipped in black later this month."
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Just because a few of you don't care, don't believe the rest of us feel that way.

Like Nikos and Joe, I look forward to chasing them on the point of trains. Especially when some of the smaller roads return to their "home" territory.
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