Old 05-29-2017, 05:30 AM   #1
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Got this shot just an hour and a half ago of an eastbound UP train at last light. Rejected for being too dark. What do you think? Perhaps I could've gotten a better lit shot if the train had come even 30 seconds earlier, but there was nothing I could do about it.
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:47 AM   #2
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Unfortunately it's just not quite up to the standard of "winners" of its type. Perhaps some skillful processing will improve it?

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Old 05-29-2017, 11:48 AM   #3
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Little unfair to compare, very few would make that standard and he just does not have that type of location.

However, if you look at the example for the differences -
The accepted has less of the dark foreground with no detail. and more sky.
He stood farther to the side to side and train a little farther away
The accepted was probably shot darker than the actual scene(normally the headlights would not be that subdued?) and that kept headlights flare down and allowed him to use a smaller aperature and get the little starburst on the headlights while the rejected is getting more pixel bloom.

And the rejected has streaks from the headlights which I have gotten from a very nice lens that had a little film, not cleaned well.

Rejected needs to be darker???, but that is how the rejections break out?? but I think it could have been accepted and if I look hard enough I could find examples to compare that were.

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Old 05-29-2017, 02:25 PM   #4
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Glint/sunset shots like this are very, very difficult to get on rp I find (I have nearly 1,800 shots on rp and rarely get one on). Really I would stick with getting sunny wedge shots on rp first and master that before attempting something as challenging as a shot like the one you posted.
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The best sunsets have broken clouds above the horizon to catch the sunlight while blocking the direct rays. The rejected has direct sun setting up a bright sky/dark train situation.

Cropping the sun out might have worked if only there was more glint on the train.
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I've always thought, the darker, the better with glint shots. Referring to the overall contrast of course...

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Right, I increased the contrast in editing:
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Not really. I don't see this shot working out.

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Right, I increased the contrast in editing:
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Spacetrain1983, I really think you are up against it with this one. My own processing skills have serious limitations with sunset / glint type photos due to lack of experience with them. I did however try recrop your second attempt / the "any better" version in order to try and eliminate the "blob" of sun and this is the result (also felt it needed .5 CCW rotation).
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Spacetrain1983, I really think you are up against it with this one. My own processing skills have serious limitations with sunset / glint type photos due to lack of experience with them. I did however try recrop your second attempt / the "any better" version in order to try and eliminate the "blob" of sun and this is the result (also felt it needed .5 CCW rotation).
My version, which I didn't post, was very similar. There just isn't enough glint on the train. Sometimes lighting conditions and a train don't come together for a winning image.
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