Old 10-12-2009, 06:37 AM   #1
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Here's the photo: http://www.railpictures.net/images/d...1255317102.jpg

I don't understand the the sun can be "too high" at 0900 in October. Just what is the negative effect of "high sun?"
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Old 10-12-2009, 07:05 AM   #2
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Well, it's sidelit, but I really only have a problem with the cropping and angle.
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EDIT - never mind.
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Old 10-12-2009, 01:02 PM   #4
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Hi Randy,

High sun elevation (angle above the horizon) is the most predominant cause for this type of rejection because the lighting is indirect. It is a bit like trying to take a portrait of a person in a room, using only lighting on the ceiling. Such a picture may look OK, but will never been as pleasing to the eye as one in which light is trained on the subject from the same (or similar) angle as the camera.

Angle of incidence = angle of reflection.

You can tell a high sun shot pretty easily. Trucks and running gear on such shots can be anything from dull to completely in shadow. Also, the colors on the sides of the equipment usually look dull.

In the case of your shot, the issue looks to be a little different. It would appear to my eye that the issue here is sun azimuth (the compass direction from which the sun is coming.) In this case, the sun is not behind you, but rather, 90 degrees or more to your left.

Again, Angle of incidence = Angle of Reflection. The colors and truck detail just don't quite pop.

In my limited experience here, I think this shot might have been more acceptable to the Screeners if you had gone wide and made this train part of a larger scene. As I said, the lighting is not terrible....I could show you some of my REALLY UGLY high sun shots . As it is, this is what folks here might call a "here's a train" shot, and for that kind of ordinary composition, RP demands more direct lighting.
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Kevin makes good points, but it isn't clear whether he thinks the issue is fatal. Certainly shots with side sun appear on RP all the time.

Part of the problem is that you have a white side and black trucks and undercarriage, which through optical illusion make the trucks look darker than they actually are. Since dark trucks is a sign of high sun, it may have prompted that reaction in the screener.

I popped it into PSElements and did AutoFix and it looked a lot better. I increased brightness also and here is the result. I'm not saying this is the solution; I didn't spend a lot of time messing around, but I do think this shot can easily be corrected.




I think the scene is fine.
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I think the shadow on the plow is the killer, Light is to far to the side.
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The clouds are sweet! Unfortunately, the nose light is the issue. I think using the Shadows in Photoshop may help this issue, but not sure by how much.

Also, increase the saturation! It looks a tad flat!

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I agree with those above me that said a little work in post processing could save this shot. Honestly, I think it could really pop out at you with the colors if handled right. It would definitely make it mroe presentable. Whether it gets past the screeners is anotehr matter, but I'd give it anothe go if I were you.
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Well, I took it throu APE7 and opened it. It was a small file, under 200K, and there appears to be image quality issues. You're using a Nikon D300, correct? If so, it appears the IQ is getting shot down by your post processing. Keep the file as large as you can for RP's purposes. It would be better for RP to deny it for being to big then for them to reject it for PIQ. Meaning you can also go and resize it. (Mind you, I'm not talking actual size of the image, just the KBs, which I believe RP needs under 1000. Yours was under 200.

Some the quick edit I did in Elements won't look nearly like they would look by you editting from the original file. I also cropped some off for you to consider.
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Nevermind....
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