Old 08-07-2008, 02:41 PM   #1
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I went to the recent WCRC Open Weekend at Carnforth. A great day out and brilliantly organised. I took lots of shots, many of which I'm quite happy with.
Price was 15 ($30) or 10 if you booked in advance through Railway Magazine. Thousands of people were there all having a great time. A mixture of diesel and steam locos were on display, with a few star turns. People went for lots of different reasons: Some to see a particular loco (steam or diesel); Some to see "Hogwarts Castle" (very popular with the children); Some to have a look behind the scenes of the site; Old railway staff reliving memories etc. etc.
However, I was ashamed of the behaviour of many fellow photographers. There were thousands of people there and a lot of them wanted to get close to the engines and why not?
Unfortunately, many of these paying customers were subject to insults and abuse by quite a number of photographers, because they "dared" to get in the way of their shot.
Everyone had paid their money and were entitled to go where they wanted to. There were very few restricted areas, which added to the beauty of the event.
If a guy wants to take his children and try to get them on the footplate of Scots Guardsman, he should be able to do so without being yelled at by a bunch of people with DSLRs round their necks.
I'm afraid that despite having a 5D swinging round my neck, I took the family man's side and got involved in a number of arguments with these so-called photographer/enthusiasts, reminding them of their selfishness and their need for some patience.
I got a load of shots and, by simply being patient, few have got noticeable people in them, let alone be spoiled by them. 20 of them have made it into the RP DB.
So, if there are any of you reading this - Come on you guys, have patience and live and let live.
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Old 08-07-2008, 07:58 PM   #2
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I've never really understood why people go to these public events where many people have paid money to get in..... and then fully expect to be able to get their shots without any other people in them. It makes no sense on a number of levels. If you want a train shot with no people in it, arrange for your own personal tour of the place. Better yet, be patient. There may be a hole in the throng of people. Also, if there are three or four folks there, a simple polite request for them to move for just one minute might actually work.

People! Sheesh!


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You don't get these types of shots by yelling at those who take a minute or two to pause in front of the locomotive while its sitting.
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Unfortunately, most don't see it as a photographic opportunity but 'foreground clutter' of what will be a plain old roster shot without them. I prefer to have both and will normally chose to share those photos with life in them.

It also goes the other way that if you decide to pose in front of a locomotive that others have the right to take your photo if they chose. ...
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You know 30 years from now those photographers are likely going to wish they had the people in the shots. No people = no steam locomotives. I like having regular people in my shots as they add a special touch.

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People! Sheesh!


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Old 08-07-2008, 08:08 PM   #5
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I wasn't there, so I don't know how it went down, but I've been to places where you're obviously trying to get a shot and the clueless decide to walk between you and what you're shooting.

The famous sign atop Pike's Peak is my most recent example. A crown of people stand in line to get their photo next to that sign but some people have so little situational awareness that they'll just lolly-gag right into the shot. Of course, maybe it's lack of oxygen to the brain which exacerbates their stupidity, but still. Regardless, yelling at those fools is not cool either...
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Ween I had the exact same problem with the Pikes Peak sign also. Plus giving the camera to a woman to take a picture of the family didnt work out well either as our feet where cut off.


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I wasn't there, so I don't know how it went down, but I've been to places where you're obviously trying to get a shot and the clueless decide to walk between you and what you're shooting.

The famous sign atop Pike's Peak is my most recent example. A crown of people stand in line to get their photo next to that sign but some people have so little situational awareness that they'll just lolly-gag right into the shot. Of course, maybe it's lack of oxygen to the brain which exacerbates their stupidity, but still. Regardless, yelling at those fools is not cool either...
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Ween I had the exact same problem with the Pikes Peak sign also. Plus giving the camera to a woman to take a picture of the family didnt work out well either as our feet where cut off.
Judgment fail! Give the camera to someone who's standing there with an SLR!
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Judgment fail! Give the camera to someone who's standing there with an SLR!
Haha, that's probably why I get asked to take peoples' pictures with their cameras all the time!
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Haha, that's probably why I get asked to take peoples' pictures with their cameras all the time!
They must not be able to read the company name on the camera! Oh come on, someone had to say it!
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They must not be able to read the company name on the camera! Oh come on, someone had to say it!
Why, does the name really have to count ?
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They must not be able to read the company name on the camera! Oh come on, someone had to say it!
Hah! That'll learn him!
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Judgment fail! Give the camera to someone who's standing there with an SLR!
Tried that for a family shot at Multnomah Falls in Oregon. He was wearing a Nikon... I shoot with a Canon. He pretended to throw my camera into the falls.
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Tried that for a family shot at Multnomah Falls in Oregon. He was wearing a Nikon... I shoot with a Canon. He pretended to throw my camera into the falls.
Did you return the favour? =D
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Haha, that's probably why I get asked to take peoples' pictures with their cameras all the time!
Because of RP, I am now so anally retentive about the composition of photography, even that which is not my own, that I step in when people offer their p&s's to unwitting bystanders. "Trust me, I'm a photographer" is always a good entry line. Guess I'm just trying to make the world a better place, one cheesy vacation photo at a time.

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Even with the SLR around my neck, people still show me where the shutter button is on there P&S if they want me to take a photo for them. hahahaha
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Guess I'm just trying to make the world a better place, one cheesy vacation photo at a time.
That's priceless you should use that as your tag line.

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Because of RP, I am now so anally retentive about the composition of photography, even that which is not my own, that I step in when people offer their p&s's to unwitting bystanders. "Trust me, I'm a photographer" is always a good entry line. Guess I'm just trying to make the world a better place, one cheesy vacation photo at a time.
Yes, to the composition. Should, to the "photographer" intervention.
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The last time someone handed me a P&S, I ended up staring at it, looking confused, and saying "How do you change the ISO on this thing?"
Of course, reply was "The what?"
I had to make do with auto ISO. *cries*
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Is,'t that like hearing " I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
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People get in your way when you're trying to take a photo no matter where you go - it isn't just limited to rail enthusiasts. I remember trying to take a photo of Big Ben and car after car just kept getting in my way. The moral of the story is you just have to be patient.

There is, of course, a stark difference between people just walking infront of your camera because you're trying to take a photo in a busy area and someone seeing a photo line at a railway station and deliberately standing infront of it. The latter should be shot ...
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In the 70's with my black Nikkormat FTN around my neck, people would ask me to take a picture with their little black plastic Instamatic's.

In the 80's and 90's with my black Nikon FM around my neck, no one asked me to take a picture with their little black SLR's.

In the 00's with my black Canon whatever around my neck, people ask me to take a picture with their little silver/purple/green/champagne P&S's.
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Haha, that's probably why I get asked to take peoples' pictures with their cameras all the time!
Oh yes, this happens to me plenty, and then they stand there with irritation while I try to figure out how to work their itty bitty camera.
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WTF? bored today? resurrecting 2 year old threads?
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WTF? bored today? resurrecting 2 year old threads?
Troy is RP's very own sunshine boy. RP would be less interesting without him.

When I found the thread, I didn't look at the date. I liked it and contributed because it's fun.

Sorry if in my years here I didn't learn the rule that old threads were not supposed to be resurrected for any reason.

I'll check in next time.
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