Old 02-10-2009, 11:37 PM   #1
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Hey guys!

Just asking for a little bit of help with these, if I can save any, or if I just toss em?

Thanks!

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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...0&key=31268277

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1222636536

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=642867&key=0

Thanks again!
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:05 AM   #2
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I liked number 3, because of the power and the circumstances. I lightened it up a bit, among other things. Maybe wait around for it and resubmit, I really do like that shot!

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Old 02-11-2009, 12:20 AM   #3
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Not saying this shot shouldn't have been rejected, but to see this rejection as the stated reason after seeing some of what's being accepted here lately is laughable:
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- Overprocessed: The photo appears to suffer from either excessive use of a grain removal tool, leading to a washed out oil-painted look, or overuse of the shadow/highlight tool in Photoshop, which can give the image a 'fake' appearance and create halos around darker objects.
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:29 AM   #4
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4: it is much more natural for a train to be heading into a shot than out of it. Usually a train is long enough to span the frame, but when it isn't, it can feel out of balance. Put differently, all the action is on the right.

3: it is that awkward well-past-sunset, pre-silhouette sort of light

2: I understand what Chris is saying, but that nose looks weird - it looks like you noise-reduced the grab irons off!

1: decent scenic, no train, not even three points of light! It doesn't help that the timbers line up directly with the ship instead of the train
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:27 AM   #5
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Too bad you're name isn't...

(John Ryan) http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1224655398

(Matthew Hicks) http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...0&key=31268277

(Andrew Blaszczyk) http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1222636536

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=642867&key=0

For the last one I'd say just crop it to the end of the train or the first big rock.

I'd say they all have a chance except maybe the 2nd one. Probably just too dark and "common" as "they" call it these days.
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:29 AM   #6
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Too bad you're name isn't . . .

(Andrew Blaszczyk) http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1222636536
'Cause they never get rejections.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=642031124
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=640398&key=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...07&key=4400131
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=969046934
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=803260608
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1110999050
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...7&key=98983550

BTW, I'm not looking for feedback (although if you like one I wouldn't mind hearing it ) just trying to prove a point and clear my name.

As for the shots in question, I only think the UP Geep over the bridge has a shot with the right adjustments in noise redux and brightness/contrast.
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'Cause they never get rejections.
Gosh, AB(2) must be dead! What happened to AB(2)?

Andrew, you seem like a nice guy, your name seems familiar somehow, reminds me of someone. Anyway, stick around in this forum, we can help you do better than these crappy shots.
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I really like the third shot. It may be reworked to something like this. Although I'm still trying to learn this stuff, others may have some better solutions.

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Old 02-11-2009, 04:15 PM   #9
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'Cause they never get rejections.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=642031124
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=640398&key=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...07&key=4400131
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=969046934
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=803260608
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1110999050
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...7&key=98983550

BTW, I'm not looking for feedback (although if you like one I wouldn't mind hearing it ) just trying to prove a point and clear my name.

As for the shots in question, I only think the UP Geep over the bridge has a shot with the right adjustments in noise redux and brightness/contrast.
I feel like the veil has been pulled away revealing the great Wizard is human afterall! (2), I'm surprised by the...pedestrian...effot put forth in these!
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Old 02-11-2009, 06:15 PM   #10
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Seeing that, now I don't feel so bad about trying these:

hazy sky reject 1

hazy sky reject 2

I had some sun, but it was a bit hazy... (so I dropped 'em after the "cloudy/common" shoot down)

Nice to know even the good photographers still struggle here at times...
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'Cause they never get rejections.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...07&key=4400131

BTW, I'm not looking for feedback (although if you like one I wouldn't mind hearing it ) just trying to prove a point and clear my name.
For what it's worth, I really like the general idea of this one but would crop out the red topped boat (vertically down through the vicinity of the green pump on the dock) and lose foreground water but keep the sky. It would make the train more prominent and less in the center while keeping most of the interesting elements. The second boat & dock don't add much for me and it would dump the dead space in the right and bottom. Just my 2 cents...

I'm really trying to push myself to come up with "neat" shots like that as opposed to the routine wedgies I still shoot more often than not...
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Seeing that, now I don't feel so bad about trying these:

hazy sky reject 1

hazy sky reject 2

I had some sun, but it was a bit hazy... (so I dropped 'em after the "cloudy/common" shoot down)

Nice to know even the good photographers still struggle here at times...
I tried it because of the power, but no harm no foul. I'll try it again when all the SD50s are either painted or out of service. As for the location, I'll just go out the next sunny morning, no biggie.

As for the other shot, its another simple shot to get probably not with the CR leader but I have plenty of other angles that same day. This was taken in mid-November and those were the only two boats docked so I didn't have a lot of options to include them and the bridge. When the whole marina is full the shot will look better. I just started focusing on this train when the weather turned colder.
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I tried it because of the power, but no harm no foul. I'll try it again when all the SD50s are either painted or out of service. As for the location, I'll just go out the next sunny morning, no biggie.
OK - I see why you tried that one now - but I seem to trip up on that logic fairly often. There are over 1,000 shots of CSX SD50's in the DB currently and I still see them often here in Ohio. One just rolled by my window not long ago this afternoon. The next move after that had an early version yellow nose SD40-2. Most of the rebuilt de-rated SD50's will probably be around for a while. Likewise, one of my two rejects was an early production BNSF GEVO in H2 paint leading on the NS Chicago line here in Toledo - neat & somewhat unusual to me, but "cloudy/common" to everyone else.

I'm not intending to pick on you at all and this is one area I struggle with. I've had a number of times where I have "pretty good" shots of rare moves in my area that I simply can not get on here because they don't quite meet the technical standards. For example, rare Amtrak detours at locally recognizable locations that got canned for either "cloudy common" (because it was a little hazy) or "high sun" (due to shadow on the plow) and went nowhere on appeal despite the "uniqueness" (even though they were published in a magazine). Then there was the time the UP/Mopac heritage unit made it to Detroit on a cloudy, rain day. It seems unusual foreign power or home road units don't stand a chance for me unless they meet the "regular" technical standards because they're "common somewhere". I have seen some good "less than perfect" images of similar detours/rare power get on here and am glad they do - I usually look at them - but I haven't had that luck. I'm guessing the locations I shot at, while recognizable to people familiar with my area were not "distinctive" enough to the screener. (i.e. could be anywhere so = "cloudy/common" etc.)

I understand what's unusual or interesting enough to warrant an exception to the usually strict standards can be very subjective so I give it a try (maybe even try again sometime) but then just move on if it won't fly. It's interesting to see others doing more or less the same thing. I like seeing your work on here and it's nice to know you're human too.
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Very refreshing to see your rejections Andrew. One could get the idea that photo screeners would be "holier than thou" in regards to their photographs, and would never suffer the indignity of a rejection.

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MDH, to me there is no contest between an SD50 leading a train or just another GEVO (yes, to me GEVO's have really no uniqueness and arent that photogenic). Think of it this way, whats going to be leading trains 75% of the time? Andrew, glad you got out to shoot that SD50, something cool to look at in these widecab times. Which is another thing, those SD50-2's arent going to be around for much longer, ESPECIALLY if the economy stays in this current state. They are a glorified SD40-2, and we all know how "common" those are on Class 1's.

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MDH, to me there is no contest between an SD50 leading a train or just another GEVO (yes, to me GEVO's have really no uniqueness and arent that photogenic). Think of it this way, whats going to be leading trains 75% of the time? Andrew, glad you got out to shoot that SD50, something cool to look at in these widecab times. Which is another thing, those SD50-2's arent going to be around for much longer, ESPECIALLY if the economy stays in this current state. They are a glorified SD40-2, and we all know how "common" those are on Class 1's.

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I don't disagree - I enjoy seeing the older EMD's but they are still fairly common in my area. I certainly take pictures of them and will miss them when they're gone. My point though is that it's not that uncommon and that class in particular is well represented in the DB with mostly good shots that meet the high screening standards. My experience has been that those types of shots (unusual for my area or "becoming rare" power, etc but with imperfect lighting) are great - for my personal collection. I have practically no success in getting them on here though.

I still try sometimes also because I think they'd add value to a "train picture" database but their rejection reminds me that here photographic quality comes first and at times at the expense of otherwise good and interesting "train pictures" like that one.

I've probably already read too much into his intentions with that shot, but I just found it refreshing to see similarities in what I think his thought process is to how I approach this. There have been a few shots I really liked because of what they were (certain engine, location, etc) and have been told flat out by more impartial eyes that they're just not that unique.

Hope I haven't offended anyone

If anything, I think he was trying to show he's human like the rest of us and it's nice to know even a great photographer like him has some of the same struggles...

P.S. I don't think the "SD50" carbody's going away real soon - CSX's de-rated & re-built ones will probably be around for quite a while in lower priority manifests, MOW and other lesser service and NS is actively rebuilding them to replace SD40-2's in helper service. The economy's finally pushing many SD40 variants out to pasture but there's over 16,800 shots of SD40-2's alone in the DB so will a picture of a SD40-2 taken during their regular service period ever really be that rare here? Theoretically even 50 years from now a shot taken today could still be compared against the thousands of others already in the DB. It's simply different now with the quantity and quality of contemporary pictures available online compared to say a shot of a UP GP9 in mainline service from 1960 (or anything similar) - which is also why the standards on those type of shots aren't quite as strict.
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No, I see what you mean. I think the SD50's (SD50-2's moreso) in the 24XX series will stick around, but I really do believe that even though they were recently derated, they will go right with the SD40-2's. And Ive had MANY of those great lashups in not so great or cloudy lighting, it almost makes you wish that you hadn't seen it when its going due north at 6 o'clock sun!

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Not saying this shot shouldn't have been rejected, but to see this rejection as the stated reason after seeing some of what's being accepted here lately is laughable:

My thoughts exactly!
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