Old 08-17-2010, 06:56 PM   #1
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A buddy and I am going to have the opportunity to be in the cab of a steam locomotive while underway.

Obviously, I want to get some shots in the cab. My current gear is a D300 and 17-55 f2.8. 17mm on DX is roughly 25mm FF.

For those of you who have shot under similar circumstances, will this be wide enough?

I tried to look at some in-cab shots in the database, and a large number seem to be shot at around 10mm.

Since this will be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, I won't mind picking up a Nikon 10.5mm f2.8, if this will make a big difference in the shots I can get.

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Go with the 10mm. You can always go up to 25mm if needed then.

This was shot at 10mm with me pushed as far back as I could get. This cab probably is roomier then what you will have.
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A buddy and I am going to have the opportunity to be in the cab of a steam locomotive while underway.

Obviously, I want to get some shots in the cab. My current gear is a D300 and 17-55 f2.8. 17mm on DX is roughly 25mm FF.

For those of you who have shot under similar circumstances, will this be wide enough?

I tried to look at some in-cab shots in the database, and a large number seem to be shot at around 10mm.

Since this will be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, I won't mind picking up a Nikon 10.5mm f2.8, if this will make a big difference in the shots I can get.

Thanks!

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The 17-55 should work just fine. It wouldn't hurt to use a flash also but you cant also get creative with the fire glow, etc.

As you can see below all of these shots have been taken with natural light, no flash was used.

What kind of locomotive will it be? If the locomotive is larger the cab will be much more roomy and you will probably not even need a 10mm.

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Walter,

It will be one of the Nevada Northern steam locomotives. We are doing the locomotive rental program, and will also do one of the diesels while there.

I don't think the cabs are particularly large; they limit the number of people in the steam cab to 4.

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That should be sufficiently wide.

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Since this will be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, I won't mind picking up a Nikon 10.5mm f2.8, if this will make a big difference in the shots I can get.
I've shot in the cab of similar-sized locomotives with my 18-200, and 18mm can be tight.

For about the same money, you can pick up the DX 10-24 or 12-24 - in my opinion it would be more useful, especially in the long term, than the 10.5mm.

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I've shot in the cab of similar-sized locomotives with my 18-200, and 18mm can be tight.

For about the same money, you can pick up the DX 10-24 or 12-24 - in my opinion it would be more useful, especially in the long term, than the 10.5mm.
I too have discovered that the 18-200mm VR just won't cut it in tight situations....such as a locomotive cab. I bought the 10-24mm and I now find that I use it far more often than I ever would have imagined.
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All the following were done with a Canon 10-22 on an APS-C Canon 40D. (As per the Tuna's recommendation)

As much as I'd like to own this lens, the price tag was not worth it. So I rented from Adorama. About $30 bucks.

I used my paleolithic (read old) Vivitar 285 flash with a white dome for the light.

I never had a cab ride I didn't like but this one was fantastic.

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All the following were done with a Canon 10-22 on an APS-C Canon 40D. (As per the Tuna's recommendation)

As much as I'd like to own this lens, the price tag was not worth it. So I rented from Adorama. About $30 bucks.

I used my paleolithic (read old) Vivitar 285 flash with a white dome for the light.

I never had a cab ride I didn't like but this one was fantastic.

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You got some great images from that ride Dennis.

The 10-22 is my go to cab lens.
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The Nikon 10.5 is a fisheye right? If that's what your going for that's cool, but it won't look like the images in this thread. The Sigma 10-20 and Tokina 11-16 are both rectilinear options that a lot of people like. Renting is a great option if you're not sure how much you'll use it after the cab ride. And if you find out you really enjoy shooting wide, you can always purchase later.
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The Nikon 10.5 is a fisheye right? If that's what your going for that's cool, but it won't look like the images in this thread. The Sigma 10-20 and Tokina 11-16 are both rectilinear options that a lot of people like. Renting is a great option if you're not sure how much you'll use it after the cab ride. And if you find out you really enjoy shooting wide, you can always purchase later.
I have a Canon 15 mm that is my secret weapon. It can distort hellaciously but if used a certain way looks great.

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You got some great images from that ride Dennis.

The 10-22 is my go to cab lens.
Thanks Walter. You and Kevin both suggested 10 mm and it worked like a charm.
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The Nikon 10.5 is a fisheye right? If that's what your going for that's cool, but it won't look like the images in this thread. The Sigma 10-20 and Tokina 11-16 are both rectilinear options that a lot of people like.
Good point. I hadn't thought about that. I was looking at the Nikon 10-24 3.5-4.5, and was thinking a prime f2.8 would be better, but I forgot about the fisheye effect. With the variable aperture zoom I can crank the ISO a little if need be, and at that wide of an angle a deeper DOF won't matter much anyway. On the other hand, the fisheye should be fairly easy to straighten with software.

I did notice that most of the pics in this thread are at 10mm. If my 17-55 won't cut it at the wide end, I won't have the luxury of stepping back a couple of feet in this particular situation.

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My Canon 10-22mm is on my 40D (crop sensor body) about 75% of the time now. It's unforgiving with distortion, but when used properly it's amazing how much you can capture with it. I couldn't imagine going into a cab (or anywhere else now, for that matter) without the ability to go out to 10.

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I couldn't imagine going into a cab (or anywhere else now, for that matter) without the ability to go out to 10.
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I have a Canon 15mm fisheye I use on my FF camera. It is a fun lens but not right for everything. It can be overdone quickly. But if you want the whole cab in the shot it can't be beat.

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I am looking for a wide angle lens, and the Canon 10-22mm sounds nice!

I do have a Sigma 17-70mm but I need that extra "edge"?

Will go away and mill it over!
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Well, FWIW, I just ordered a Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 from B&H.

I was torn between this and the Nikon 10-24. I'm not a fan of variable aperture lenses, and I figured I'd trade 1mm on the wide end for a constant f2.8.

The reviews on the Tokina were almost universally positive, plus it is a couple of hundred bucks cheaper than the Nikon.

This will be my first 3rd party lens, so we'll see.

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Well, FWIW, I just ordered a Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 from B&H.

I was torn between this and the Nikon 10-24. I'm not a fan of variable aperture lenses, and I figured I'd trade 1mm on the wide end for a constant f2.8.

The reviews on the Tokina were almost universally positive, plus it is a couple of hundred bucks cheaper than the Nikon.

This will be my first 3rd party lens, so we'll see.

Thanks for the advice and comments.
Good choice, I have heard great things about the Tokina!
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I myself have reservations about third party and variable stop lenses.

I would have gone for the variable aperture lens from Nikon. (Then again a boss once said to me, "Dennis, you are very good at spending my money!")

1 mm at the length we are talking about does makes a difference. Sometimes the even 10 was not wide enough for me.

Do post photos and let us know what your experiences are.
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I do have a Sigma 17-70mm but I need that extra "edge"?
Yes! That's the same kit I've got, and it's darn nice to have that edge

I'm looking to replace the Sigma 17-70 with something that will focus more reliably, but the decent walk around glass gets spendy really quick... anyone have an extra 24-70 f/2.8 L I could borrow indefinitely?
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Since thinking about getting a wider angle lens I have been doing a bit of research.


There seem to be 3 main options.....

Canon 10-22
Tokina 11-16
Sigma AF 10-20 EX HSM DC

The Tokina lens is apparently excellent, but I need the wider angle.

The Sigma also has got great ratings, but am assuming, despite price, the Canon would be the better buy in the long run? The huge price differential does make the Sigma/Tokina options attractive though, but this may be a false economy.

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Ottergoose - is your Sigma lens getting "tired"? I keep getting that feeling with mine!

I am looking at replacing it with the CANON EF 24 - 105 mm f 4.0 L IS, IF (a very big IF) I can scratch the money together.
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Since thinking about getting a wider angle lens I have been doing a bit of research.


There seem to be 3 main options.....

Canon 10-22
Tokina 11-16
Sigma AF 10-20 EX HSM DC

The Tokina lens is apparently excellent, but I need the wider angle.

The Sigma also has got great ratings, but am assuming, despite price, the Canon would be the better buy in the long run? The huge price differential does make the Sigma/Tokina options attractive though, but this may be a false economy.

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Ottergoose - is your Sigma lens getting "tired"? I keep getting that feeling with mine!

I am looking at replacing it with the CANON EF 24 - 105 mm f 4.0 L IS, IF (a very big IF) I can scratch the money together.

Unless you are dead set on picking up an ultrawide starting at 10mm I'd give the Tokina 12-24mm F4 a look (Tokina 12-24mm F4 AT-X 124AF Pro DX II to be exact, I'm not joking). I just picked one up in early July and am pretty damned impressed with it. I have a nice collection of Canon L series glass and the sharpness of the Tokina ranks right up there with these lenses. Its built like a tank too, probably the best of any of the ultrawides. The price is reasonable too at $500. I did consider some of the other ultrawides, primarily the Canon 10-22mm, but didn't feel that the price was worth the extra 2mm on the wide end and also that due to my shooting style it is a lens that will see little use.

Also as a longtime user of the Canon 24-105L F4 IS I say go for it. Its an excellent lens and you can't go wrong with it. I've had mine since it was first introduced and couldn't be happier with it. I currently use it on a EOS 7D.

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