Old 09-09-2010, 03:24 AM   #1
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I hate to call a photo out on the forums, and maybe it's just me, but I wanted to know what others think of this image. Am I the only one who thinks it looks kind of off?

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Old 09-09-2010, 03:30 AM   #2
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Im not sure how it was accepted even if it was real.
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It's been a while since we got to really ridicule a fake pan shot!! Game on!
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It is way blurry! If they let shots on like this than I have several that should make it on
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Old 09-09-2010, 04:13 AM   #5
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boy, if that's a fake pan, then I am awfully impressed... he managed to fake a slight upward motion into the blur, nicely changed the blur from side-to-side to side-to-middle for the foreground, and did a perfect job faking the rotational blur of the drivers, and feathering it all, wow!

looks real to me, and it's a great pan of where the action is going down - the driving wheels.
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I vote this thread is going to go downhill either way.

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Old 09-09-2010, 04:24 AM   #7
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I was there when Vince made the shot - it's plenty real.

I'm kind of surprised it made it on as well - I like it and I'm glad it made it on as coverage of the event seems a bit short and this is yet another angle and perspective of the event. I've had similar issues with clouds when they're panned - likely an issue with overexposing white skies /clouds in an attempt to properly expose a black engine. Due to the tight confines of the photo, it was near impossible to get the entire engine sharp. For such shots, the best effect is getting the nose sharp but the large wheels and "2317" captured tact sharp look pretty cool.

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How is this a pan? This is a simple photoshop job that takes mere seconds, it appears like.
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Old 09-09-2010, 07:57 AM   #9
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Its a pan with to long a shuterspeed and a wide lens.
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If Mitch saw Vince do the shot, then that settles the issue of PSing.

It is a very dramatic shot, much more so than my rejected-for-softness version. See below:



However, I do wish Vince's shot had more of the engine sharp. That would put it over the top.
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Old 09-09-2010, 03:09 PM   #11
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What about the image says that it isn't a real pan shot? As of now I see nothing pointing towards it being fake. That is what a pan shot look like especially with a wide angle lens.

I would love to see one of your fake pan shots for us to see if we think it is real or not and why.

I think it is real, poor light, but the pan adds power to the image. I trust Mitch, also.
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Old 09-09-2010, 03:29 PM   #12
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I don't believe it to be fake, but I'm surprised to see it on RP.

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Ok so it is real, I guess I thought a pan was of something moving with everything else blurred, not the entire picture save one spot blurred.

To Mitch, how was was coverage of the event short?
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I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
Railroad photography is what you make of it, but one way is not "better" than another, IMHO. Unless you have a pole right thought the nose of the engine! -SG

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In a pan shot only one spot will be sharp and the longer the exposure, longer the sweep, and/or lens used, the smaller that focal point will be. You have to remember you are swinging in an arc at something going straight so the distance from the lens to the subject varies. A pace shot the whole moving subject would be clear.

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Oh ok that makes more sense now. Thanks.
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Travis, the UP night pan is gorgeous!

except for the watermark, oh well
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Travis, the UP night pan is gorgeous!

except for the watermark, oh well
I have heard from many that they love using my photos I sell as their desk top wall paper which is fine as long as I get ad space.

I have also been able to print photos from my site when saved as a screen capture pretty well easily up to 5X7. I know I don't like watermarks anymore then the rest.

The guy walking is the night guard wondering what I was doing on a stack of pallets. He asked to to carefully get down after I got the shot. Nice guy. The engineer was actually waving in a prior shot and now he was yelling down to the watchman.

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I know I don't like watermarks anymore then the rest.
I know; my "oh well" was intended to say I understood it has to be there.
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BTW, Coborn, that was NOTHING compared to SP 4449 to Owosso and RailFestival 2009. There is no reason to complain.
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> To Mitch, how was was coverage of the event short?

I just wanted to see someone post all the pics in one convenient spot. Thanks!
BTW - you missed one of mine!

However - there are many scenes not represented on RP that I was looking forward to seeing on RP; The Reading F's at Analomink, the bridge at Mt Pocono, Cresco, side by side steam with 3254 and 2317, side by side with the Reading F's and 3254, the F's at E.Stroudsburg (from the tower), CN #3254 enroute rather then at Steamtown or Moscow, Amtrak parked where the steam engines had been located in the parking lot, ect.

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However - there are many scenes not represented on RP that I was looking forward to seeing on RP; The Reading F's at Analomink, the bridge at Mt Pocono, Cresco, side by side steam with 3254 and 2317, side by side with the Reading F's and 3254, the F's at E.Stroudsburg (from the tower), CN #3254 enroute rather then at Steamtown or Moscow, Amtrak parked where the steam engines had been located in the parking lot, ect.
Thanks for the list of what you want to see, I pretty much have every shot on this list. You can expect to see them in about 6 months, after the mass uploading from this event has subsided and people have forgotten about it.

My favorite shot of the weekend was when I caught the train crew and park staff offering an impromptu salute to 2317 as she was pulling onto the turntable one final time, but I doubt it will see RP as I feel it will get lost as people begin to skip over these shots since they keep seeing the same angle of the same engine over and over and over...

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Thanks for the list of what you want to see, I pretty much have every shot on this list. You can expect to see them in about 6 months, after the mass uploading from this event has subsided and people have forgotten about it.

My favorite shot of the weekend was when I caught the train crew and park staff offering an impromptu salute to 2317 as she was pulling onto the turntable one final time, but I doubt it will see RP as I feel it will get lost as people begin to skip over these shots since they keep seeing the same angle of the same engine over and over and over...

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Let us know where it will be "found", then; are you going to submit it to a mag or elsewhere? Sounds like it will be a cool image.
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BTW, Coborn, that was NOTHING compared to SP 4449 to Owosso and RailFestival 2009. There is no reason to complain.
What are you talking about? Who was comlaining?
Ha sorry Mitch thought I had them all! You, Chris and Dennis (among others) did great work.
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