Old 02-28-2007, 12:59 AM   #1
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Is it the man in the shot? I've seen other shots with railfans in them. Something struck me to take this shot when I saw that it was just two GEVOs staring me down. I think the man adds something and I like the shadow.

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Old 02-28-2007, 01:02 AM   #2
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I wonder if it is not simply just the guy in the picture, but what he is doing. Perhaps if he were doing something more noticable, such as taking a picture, working on something, etc., the picture would have more impact. As it is, it looks like a guy walking away from the camera, even with his body turned a little bit away from the train.
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Interesting attempt, but I think the lens distortion and dead space on the left take away from this photo. I think this type of photo would have turned out a bit better had the man in the photo been holding a camera up taking a photo or waving to the train. As it is now, it looks like he just walked into the frame.
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It's true the shot did not turn out as I hoped. I was shooting with a wide angle; he with a standard lens. So by the time the train came into my field of view, it had left his, so he was probably trying to get out of my way, not knowing he wasn't actually in my way. The shot came about on the spur of the moment. If ithadn't been two wide cabs, I may have gone the standard 3/4 route.


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I wonder if it is not simply just the guy in the picture, but what he is doing. Perhaps if he were doing something more noticable, such as taking a picture, working on something, etc., the picture would have more impact. As it is, it looks like a guy walking away from the camera, even with his body turned a little bit away from the train.
Pat hit the nail on the head, Joe. I applaud your attempt to include something 'other than the train' but in this particular case I do not thing it adds anything to the photo.
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Joe,

For what its worth I liked your shot.
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i like the shot.

there is a connection between the 'unknown man' in the photo and the train. he is walking away from the camera, but he is looking back at the train.

the wide angle perspective adds to the impact. as does the b&w.

the fact that you can't see a camera adds to the image. otherwise, it would just be a pic of someone who got in your field of view.
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Well, Joe, there's alway THIS option.
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I do see Brad, Pat and Chris' point of view. I guess I needed it spelled out for me. I like the shot as is and doubt I will crop. That shot was taken in Savanah and I am planning on going back soon to get some shots where you cn tell it was actually taken in Savanah.

I also appreciate what Jeffery had to say. I think you and I are in the minority on this one though. Thanks for the comments, fellows.


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the more B/W I see, the less appeal color has.. does anyone know if setting the camera for B/w is better than removing the color later?? of coarse,doing that makes it difficult to add the color later... well, maybe you can't set the camera fer b/w....thought ya could. .. ed
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the more B/W I see, the less appeal color has.. does anyone know if setting the camera for B/w is better than removing the color later??
No, there are many ways to successfully convert color photos to B&W just as well as taking the original in B&W.
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i like the shot.

there is a connection between the 'unknown man' in the photo and the train. he is walking away from the camera, but he is looking back at the train.

the wide angle perspective adds to the impact. as does the b&w.

the fact that you can't see a camera adds to the image. otherwise, it would just be a pic of someone who got in your field of view.
I agree with this assessment. The only disgruent element in the shot is that one cannot tell why the man is walking in the direction he is. But he is definitely connected to the train, and that is enough for me. Nice one, Joe. Oh, and I like the way his shadow is placed in the picture also.
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In the I can't let it go department, this shot of mine was rejected for Bad Motive about a month ago --



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Old 03-26-2007, 11:21 PM   #14
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And then today, I saw this one in the database --

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Hmm. At least mine has the power in the shot. My apologies to the photographer who took the above shot. I just wanted to draw a comparison.


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WHINER!!!!

I presume this is a one-time thing that a screener found interesting oh well. Seriously, I could flood the database with shots of my son watching trains. One or two might actually be decent pictures. And he's so gosh-darn cute!
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That guy did have on an interesting hat, I guess.




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Lots of dead space. Bad distortion.
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what does "bad motive" mean anyway??
it makes no sense to me what they are trying to say by "bad motive"..
who's motive is bad? and why is it bad? and what exactly is the motive that is supposed to be bad?

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That is an interesting question, Scotty. Our motives here are to take railroad photographs. Is that bad?


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I think "bad motive" is just easier and more technical sounding than "bad idea" or "bad compositional idea" or something along those lines.

The screener probably looks at the pictures, thinks to himself "I don't like that concept or idea for a shot" and uses "bad motive" to reject it.
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The screeners motive is to accept good photographs.
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And what does that have to do with a Bad Motive reject, Mike? No matter what kind of photo we end up with, the motive is to take an interesting RR shot. Right?


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And what does that have to do with a Bad Motive reject, Mike? No matter what kind of photo we end up with, the motive is to take an interesting RR shot. Right?


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True, but the "interest" of a photo is subjective.

Yes, the motive is to take a good shot of a train. The interest of the subject at hand, which I believe the screeners refer to as motive, is what he/they probably didn't agree with.
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And what does that have to do with a Bad Motive reject, Mike? No matter what kind of photo we end up with, the motive is to take an interesting RR shot. Right?
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It has everything to do with it. Your motive may be to take a good photograph, but does that mean you always succeed? You may have a certain shot in mind that you think will be great, but in reality, it isn't so good.
I've always understood bad motive to be a shot that tried to do something but failed.
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Joe, I've seen some of your photos from SC of the Lancaster and Chester and I figured this was a thread about a rejected diesel shot - compared to, say, a shot with a good motive - STEAM!

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Regarding bad motive - if you took a picture of an axle, or maybe one of some ballast, well, that could be bad motive. The question as to where to draw the line is at the discretion of the screener, each who have thier own perceptions of what is RP "worthy". Regarding the two comparison photos, the person in your photo seems happenstance, as if it were by accident or impatience where as the other photo hints at a fan of the rails.

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