Old 06-14-2013, 04:12 PM   #26
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It's totally off the subject, except the sun was high, but in Bristol on Tuesday, with the place crawling with NS cops, trainmasters etc., just prior to the OCS arriving I noticed at least two individuals sauntering across the tracks nowhere near a crossing and no one bothered at all. Of course they had bags, no cameras. Oooooh!
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:15 PM   #27
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Yup, a bit wider and taller for me. You really should have consulted with me before taking this shot ...
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.....You really should have consulted with me before taking this shot .
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Ah, so its like a 20% crop of the original. That explains why the image quality on the accepted version is el crapo
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Ah, so its like a 20% crop of the original. That explains why the image quality on the accepted version is el crapo
Yes, the train is more than a mile away.
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I'd say, at best, just a smidge more top and left, but hardly much at all. The extant crop is growing on me ....

I also looked at cropping a bit on the right, including doing a vertical, but I do like the (relatively) up close nature of the nearest crossarms.

If the signal and related hardware were not there, I'd probably be fine with is as is.
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Hey guys, I really appreciate all of the help and input!

I think I have made some progress (???).

I had bad contrast:
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So then I upped it:
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Did I go up too much?

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I don't get why it's so important to get this shot in. It's a poorly lit wedgie. Explain why anyone should care.
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How do you really want me to respond to that Joe?

I would assume that people's interests in a photo are highly subjective and what one may value in a photo, some others might not. (cheesy enough?)


Some people come on here looking for something artsy (like a profile of a train captured through a hazy barn window), while others come here to look for new locations and new perspectives. While the lighting might kill my shot for you, it might do something different for someone else.



"Explain why anyone should care."

To avoid being overly apathetic???


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How do you really want me to respond to that Joe?

I would assume that people's interests in a photo are highly subjective and what one may value in a photo, some others might not. (cheesy enough?)


Some people come on here looking for something artsy (like a profile of a train captured through a hazy barn window), while others come here to look for new locations and new perspectives. While the lighting might kill my shot for you, it might do something different for someone else.



"Explain why anyone should care."

To avoid being overly apathetic???


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Joe's just being honest. Go back there and hang out on the out of service track hanging over the interstate at a time when the sun is shining at an angle when it lights the side of the train you are photographing (and the nose)
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Oh, wow...this one is the best of all!!! Love it. Excellent composition!!
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Hey guys, I really appreciate all of the help and input!

I think I have made some progress (???).

I had bad contrast:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...81&key=5135679

So then I upped it:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...98&key=1971981


Did I go up too much?

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Don't know... maybe keep the second contrast but pull down the saturation?

I will be honest, I wouldn't try too hard on this one.
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Oh sure. I had two rejected the other day. I'm like Rodney Dangerfield.
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How do you really want me to respond to that Joe?

I would assume that people's interests in a photo are highly subjective and what one may value in a photo, some others might not. (cheesy enough?)


Some people come on here looking for something artsy (like a profile of a train captured through a hazy barn window), while others come here to look for new locations and new perspectives. While the lighting might kill my shot for you, it might do something different for someone else.



"Explain why anyone should care."

To avoid being overly apathetic???


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In this particular case, I feel that the "new perspective" in which you're trying to showcase may not be in the most effective manner. Your location is dangerously close to the closest mainline. Without even taking an extensive look at the location, I feel as if this one would warrant a PEQ based on your position.

Photos that are taken directly within the railroad gauge, inside of an active tunnel or on a bridge/trestle are generally rejected. It's very subjective and challenging at times to judge exactly where a photographer was standing, especially when calculating various focal lengths, distortion, etc., but this specific scene certainly looks as if you're trespassing and standing on the bridge itself.

Additionally, the light is just awfully high. It's evident on the nose of the engine, but more so on the engineers side trucks.

Hope this helps!

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Oh, wow...this one is the best of all!!! Love it. Excellent composition!!
I like it too, but the editors will never take this version since there is too much "dead space" on the left.

My goal was to get the train past the signals about midway up the left side - camera was mounted on a tripod due to the low light.

However, the clouds did not cooperate and the light went away.

This is one of those not to be repeated very easily shots since there was a nice thunder storm blowing through and the clouds broke every now and then.

A later view of another train, closer to the signals at the bend.

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I like it too, but the editors will never take this version since there is too much "dead space" on the left.
I have no idea how many times this theme has played out on the forums, but acceptance/rejection on RP.net doesn't always have any relationship to the quality of a particular image. I would tend to agree with you, though; the full sized shot would be rejected here. But---it's outstanding, IMHO.

Last week I got out for some photography after a nearly two month hiatus. I joined two of my friends, and we chased an NS OCS. I uploaded a few of the shots to RP.net. Before we headed for the barn, we hung around the old station at Bristol to see 202--the Memphis to Jersey stacker. I spied an old baggage wagon and some other appurtenances of the passenger train era, and decided on a slightly "different" shot. I did shoot a conventional version, but also did this one as the train eased by the umbrella shed:



I put a comment to the screener that the "foreground clutter" was intentional---but of course it was rejected for "foreground clutter." I didn't bother appealing.

A day or two later, I caved in to better judgement and uploaded the "conventional" version:

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And naturally, it was accepted. There's nothing wrong with the shot, but it adds nothing to the world of railroad imagery. At least in my opinion, the "foreground clutter" version was--by leaps and bounds---better than the one that was accepted.

Of course this is all subject to a wide array of opinions--a fact that's evident when you read the endless drivel on these forums (much of it from me!). A few might like the rejected version, but I suspect most would like the accepted version. Does the majority opinion always win?

If I were a photo editor in a magazine, I would have used the first version (the wide angle) rather than the tele shot. In any event, the decision of RP.net to accept or reject wouldn't be a factor in deciding which image was more appealing---to me, at least. And, I certainly respect RP.net's opinion of the two shots. It's their site, and they can do whatever they want without asking me.
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Ron - that station is a hell of a lot more interesting than the loco. Nice shot. I'd love to see more of "Ron's Rejects" somewhere.
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I don't get why it's so important to get this shot in. It's a poorly lit wedgie. Explain why anyone should care.
He has just as good of a reason to try and get it on as anyone else that submits to the site does.

I don't get why everyone throws their arms up over the photo. It's hardly the worst we've ever seen submitted to this site and hardly the best ever submitted to this site.

(Not trying to compare his work to others by any means. A poor example, but it will have to do for a lack of better wording. )
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He has just as good of a reason to try and get it on as anyone else that submits to the site does.
Never said he doesn't have the same right that anyone else does. I was hoping he could explain why he thought the photograph was worthy though. No one else really seems to.

When I bring a rejected shot here, I expect blunt truth and usually I get it. After Janusz, Thias and Loyd tells me the shot is crap, that I could do better or that I totally screwed it up beyond repainr (paraphrased) I usually just put it on Flickr and be done with it.
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Not sure anyone is thowing their arms up in the air over the shot (maybe how he got the shot though) but he did come here asking for our advice and we gave it to him.
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Never said he doesn't have the same right that anyone else does. I was hoping he could explain why he thought the photograph was worthy though.
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I think the most respectful thing you can bestow on a person, is to be honest with them; whether factual, or opinionated.

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I think the most respectful thing you can bestow on a person, is to be honest with them; whether factual, or opinionated.
Me, too, whether I'm the one doing the bestowing or getting it. Although that sounds kinda creepy when I say it like that.
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