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Old 01-17-2018, 03:48 PM   #526
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Setting up on a cold night can be difficult and everyone needs to learn. These stations are hard to shoot because of the limited platforms.

However, Problem I have is some of the equipment in the scene could have been cropped or cloned out. Some of the exposure problems could have been lessened in PS or corrected with a test shot. Besides that, in one image, he walked all over the fresh snow in the foreground which is like winter photography 101 and in one he is standing pretty close to the tracks. He is lighting the train but there is no angle plus you don't want to stand that close?? It makes the crews nervous and even the slightest misstep can be very bad. I have been on one of those platforms and these freights really barrel through at night with a real wind blast.

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Old 01-17-2018, 08:15 PM   #527
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Night photography (of all types) is a true art form. A few do it well, some are average, and most leave a lot to be desired.

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Old 01-17-2018, 09:00 PM   #528
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Setting up on a cold night can be difficult and everyone needs to learn. These stations are hard to shoot because of the limited platforms.

However, Problem I have is some of the equipment in the scene could have been cropped or cloned out. Some of the exposure problems could have been lessened in PS or corrected with a test shot. Besides that, in one image, he walked all over the fresh snow in the foreground which is like winter photography 101 and in one he is standing pretty close to the tracks. He is lighting the train but there is no angle plus you don't want to stand that close?? It makes the crews nervous and even the slightest misstep can be very bad. I have been on one of those platforms and these freights really barrel through at night with a real wind blast.

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Especially with the weather. That snow could have made the platform rather slick too. He may have had a better shot on the other side of the tracks and used the station as a backdrop (as opposed to having it in the foreground) It looks like there is another platform on the other side.

There definitely is a learning curve with flashes, but it's not overly difficult to light up a train, or the result that the person was aiming for. I think these night shots really should be held to the same standards as daylight shots.

Judging that he's an Elite member, I'm thinking he submitted a few more than just these...and that these were the best of the few he submitted.
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Old 01-17-2018, 09:01 PM   #529
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Night photography (of all types) is a true art form. A few do it well, some are average, and most leave a lot to be desired.

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That is certainly true...but only when it's done well!
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Night photography (of all types) is a true art form. A few do it well, some are average, and most leave a lot to be desired.

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I'll add that something new is learned just about at every outing too. I'll leave mine in the "lot to be desired" pool.
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I'll add that something new is learned just about at every outing too. I'll leave mine in the "lot to be desired" pool.
If we stop learning then we have stopped breathing.... and I believe you have graduated from the "Lot to be desired" pool along time ago. I'm constantly adding your night shots to my favorites as tools to study by....
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I'll add that something new is learned just about at every outing too. I'll leave mine in the "lot to be desired" pool.
Jon, your night shots are ridiculously amazing.
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On the other hand...we have whatever this is.

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Blue snow and woefully over processed

You can see the shutter curtain at the bottom because he chose too high of a shutter speed.
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On the other hand...we have whatever this is.

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Blue snow and woefully over processed

You can see the shutter curtain at the bottom because he chose too high of a shutter speed.
To give him credit, I looked at others of his and some are pretty nice.

Looking at that one tho, The puzzle for me is the edit line you can see along the train and even more pronounced in front of the train. You can see the tree line is darker in front of the train than above and should be lighter, like a cut and paste layer?

Anyway, practice doesn't always help? This was a year before.
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Myself, shooting at night existing light one thing I always remember reading is your failure rate is going to be pretty high and of course even higher if you count what will not be accepted here.

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On the other hand...we have whatever this is.

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Other than blown highlights, excessive contrast and unlevel, what's wrong?
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Other than blown highlights, excessive contrast and unlevel, what's wrong?
White balance too
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To give him credit, I looked at others of his and some are pretty nice.

Looking at that one tho, The puzzle for me is the edit line you can see along the train and even more pronounced in front of the train. You can see the tree line is darker in front of the train than above and should be lighter, like a cut and paste layer?

Anyway, practice doesn't always help? This was a year before.
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Myself, shooting at night existing light one thing I always remember reading is your failure rate is going to be pretty high and of course even higher if you count what will not be accepted here.

Bob Jordan
He has a lot of nice shots (some are a tad over processed for my liking) but part of one-shot photography (especially at night) is sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I've done a lot of night shots where I failed, and you won't see them on Railpictures (and I don't want to have my name attached with them).

With some of his flash shots being good, I'm kinda wondering what he was thinking when he shot that one.
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I've done a lot of night shots where I failed, and you won't see them on Railpictures (and I don't want to have my name attached with them).
Story of my life too. Ever have to setup really fast and do a exposure at night where you forgot to remove the lens cap? Yeah.. 30 seconds with a cap on is still really dark..

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I'll add that something new is learned just about at every outing too. I'll leave mine in the "lot to be desired" pool.
Lower your personal standards because I feel you have a quite capable grasp on the night photography concept.

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Story of my life too. Ever have to setup really fast and do a exposure at night where you forgot to remove the lens cap? Yeah.. 30 seconds with a cap on is still really dark..

Loyd L.
I can't say I've done that (I don't want to bump the focus to put the cap back on haha) But, I've kicked the tripod leg probably a dozen times...each time, I think "I hope it isn't noticeable" and then...I see streaks from signals or any other light source...swear a few times....say that I won't do it again...and then do it again.
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I can't say I've done that (I don't want to bump the focus to put the cap back on haha) But, I've kicked the tripod leg probably a dozen times...each time, I think "I hope it isn't noticeable" and then...I see streaks from signals or any other light source...swear a few times....say that I won't do it again...and then do it again.
I jumped out, setup the tripod and camera and started the exposure (was using a tokina 11-16 with true set to infinity focus) so I didn't even touch the lens, assuming it was ready to go.. Kicked tripods are a rarity for me though (although being 6'6" with size 16 feet it should be a problem), but I have a bad habit of killing batteries at night in cold weather midway through a shot.

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I jumped out, setup the tripod and camera and started the exposure (was using a tokina 11-16 with true set to infinity focus) so I didn't even touch the lens, assuming it was ready to go.. Kicked tripods are a rarity for me though (although being 6'6" with size 16 feet it should be a problem), but I have a bad habit of killing batteries at night in cold weather midway through a shot.

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No test shots I suppose? I'm thinking you were short on time.

I get in the habit of taking about 15 shots before the train comes (just out of habit I guess...maybe I think the focus is going to move ) Usually I try to back out of the way when the train comes but I generally forget where the legs are. It shouldn't be a problem when I'm only 5' 3" haha
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No test shots I suppose? I'm thinking you were short on time.
Quite

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