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The Rules Of Thirds say to avoid centered images, yet these shots appear centered to me.

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These are two of the top shots as of 16:20 on Saturday the 12th of Oct.

Don't get me wrong, I like them, but I have seen many folks here on the forum who would get a cropping rejection and post a photo that looks like those and ask how to crop, and the answers are usually "You have the engines to centered". So what makes these different that I am not seeing?
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:13 PM   #2
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Take a look at the photographer of the 1st one. And the 2nd one probably has a lot to do with the house.
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On what I call full train wedgies, I often think of it as having the train centered, which means the nose is not centered. I look at the distance from the edge of the train on the left to the left margin, say here in the case of Chase's shot, and the edge of the tail end of the train to the right margin. If the train is entirely visible, I find that having its length centered results in a pleasing view, and then the nose is off center.

So Chase's shot somewhat "works" for me, although I'd prefer the train be a bit further along so the nose is a bit further left (the lack of contrast most certainly does not work for me!!!).

Kevin's, I think allowance is make for a nice complementary object on the right. The frame fills up nicely.
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Smells like a good old conspiracy to me.
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Old 10-13-2013, 03:33 AM   #5
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So what would I do here?

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Well I don't want to tell you to cut off the sign, so re-shoot if you can and get the train closer to the sign or just re-shoot without the sign. Because in the rejected pic, it's basically dead space on the left that they don't like.

Maybe a tad too much sky, but I like it.
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Well I don't want to tell you to cut off the sign, so re-shoot if you can and get the train closer to the sign or just re-shoot without the sign. Because in the rejected pic, it's basically dead space on the left that they don't like.
Huh? Given the sign, it's not deal space! That gives the context! And if you crop it off the nose of the train is very close to the left edge, too tight.

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Maybe a tad too much sky, but I like it.
and ... that's the dead space! crop on the right tight to the train, and crop off as much sky as you can.
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On what I call full train wedgies, I often think of it as having the train centered, which means the nose is not centered. I look at the distance from the edge of the train on the left to the left margin, say here in the case of Chase's shot, and the edge of the tail end of the train to the right margin. If the train is entirely visible, I find that having its length centered results in a pleasing view, and then the nose is off center.

So Chase's shot somewhat "works" for me, although I'd prefer the train be a bit further along so the nose is a bit further left (the lack of contrast most certainly does not work for me!!!).

Kevin's, I think allowance is make for a nice complementary object on the right. The frame fills up nicely.
So you think on wedgies you should watch the nose placement? On side shots is it OK to center horizontally as long as you don't vertically center and visa-versa? I am trying to get a grasp on this because I think cropping issues are a major rejection issue.

The screeners take on the image will always be a variable so I know there can be nothing done on that.

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Huh? Given the sign, it's not deal space! That gives the context! And if you crop it off the nose of the train is very close to the left edge, too tight.
I think Derek meant there is too much space between the sign and the train. At the least, that's what caught my eye. And the fact that the train is centered left to right.
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I'm pretty sure the train is also leaning slightly CCW!
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I think Derek meant there is too much space between the sign and the train. At the least, that's what caught my eye. And the fact that the train is centered left to right.
Yep. That's what I meant.


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Thanks for the help guys. It's in. Some off the right and a little off the top.

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Yes, there is some space between the front corner of the engine and the sign but the next frame had a shadow on the sign since the train was closer to it. I went with the non obscured frame.
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Old 10-20-2013, 11:56 PM   #13
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What should I do with this?

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Old 10-21-2013, 12:08 AM   #14
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GREAT pano!

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Pretty easy, Carl, nothing to the right of the hay bales contributes, crop the right and top.
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Way too much sky. You guys over think this stuff, the rules are not fast and hard, different things work for every image.
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Pretty easy, Carl, nothing to the right of the hay bales contributes, crop the right and top.
But you're still left with too much sky, even at 3:2...

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And if you try to cut down on the sky, you're left with a pretty bland scene (compared to the original)...

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This is a tough one, Carl. I still say you crop it as a pano and hang it on your wall.
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Add some juice, it will be alright.
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I have some more foreground consisting of some barb wire held up with two locust posts and two metal posts. I thought the sky was more interesting than barb wire.



I like the butte to the left so I will try cropping tighter to the hay bales and see if that is acceptable to the screener. Thanks guys!

BTW Jim, I like your pano idea. A 10 X 20 would look nice!

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Jim, RP will take wider than 3:2, they go to 5:3 these days, not every time, but here it will work. The butte must stay.
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I like the photo in its original incarnation, personally. Too much sky? It's frikkin' Nebraska, that's just about the only thing they have going for them!

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Jim, RP will take wider than 3:2, they go to 5:3 these days, not every time, but here it will work. The butte must stay.
Agreed, as that's the anchor on the left side of the image. Haven't tried a 5:3 crop before, but I'll take your word for it.
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Thanks for the assistance guys...it is on

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Take a look at the photographer of the 1st one. And the 2nd one probably has a lot to do with the house.
I concur.

Though, I would like to think the lake in the first, was considered like the house in the second.

As my personal preference, I think the house works better than the water.
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