Old 03-08-2009, 03:19 AM   #1
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Question Umm, need a screener explanation! (not a rant)

The first one I realize is messed up, somehow it wouldnt let me transfer the image from the raw editor to Picassa without screwing with it, and didnt know it would be that blurry till I submitted it, however the second image looked fine to me. This is neither here nor there however. How do these two look similar AT ALL? That is the rejection I got...
A. Totally different cropping.
B. Totally different light.
C.Train is not in same location.
D. Conductor has two different posture angles.
E. As long as your looking at the conductor, you can easily see the light differences.

What gives Chris?
First One: http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...3&key=67352982
"Good" one: http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=307853659
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:48 AM   #2
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Hmm those links aren't working for me.
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Sorry, fixed it.
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I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
Railroad photography is what you make of it, but one way is not "better" than another, IMHO. Unless you have a pole right thought the nose of the engine! -SG
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:57 AM   #4
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It was most likely a mistake. I do agree with the cropping rejection as I am not a big fan either.
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Old 03-08-2009, 04:06 AM   #5
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Yeah, probably a mistake...regardless, the second looks a tad oversharpened to me.
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:39 AM   #6
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Yeah, probably a mistake...regardless, the second looks a tad oversharpened to me.


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THE DOOR IS OPEN!!!
Thanks for pointing that out Captain Obvious...
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Old 03-08-2009, 12:17 PM   #8
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The Crop is not what they normally take or like, Train is to far to the bottom right.
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THE DOOR IS OPEN!!!
Well if we are going to play that game, then BOTH doors are open! I feel it adds to the shot because you can see the conductor.

Hmm, your right, any ideas on how i should crop it?
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Old 03-08-2009, 10:49 PM   #10
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No one has commented yet - did you remember to tell them that you had made changes in the "comments to screeners" box? If you didn't, then they may not have realized that you made any attempt to change it (at a glance)...

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Something like this, worked up the contrast to a bit.
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No one has commented yet - did you remember to tell them that you had made changes in the "comments to screeners" box? If you didn't, then they may not have realized that you made any attempt to change it (at a glance)...

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But see, i never thought of that, because it is a totally different picture.
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Old 03-09-2009, 12:21 AM   #13
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But see, i never thought of that, because it is a totally different picture.
But it's generally very similar. I've had some of mine mistaken in the past for others. In cases like this, tell them that "it's a replacement for " and what you feel you've improved on.

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Old 03-09-2009, 12:31 AM   #14
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Good idea, better safe then sorry I suppose.
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Old 03-09-2009, 05:40 PM   #15
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No one is commenting that the shot looks to suffer from Poor Image Quality. Maybe too compressed, I'm not sure. Ween called it oversharpened and that could be it, too. Regardless, we should be able to tell what the egineer looks like. As it is, and maybe it's this computer, but it looks like his face has been obscurred to protect his idenity.
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Yes.

What's all this chatter about composition? It looks like the first one was taken with wax paper over the image sensor. The second is better, but the image still isn't crisp. Regardless of anything you shoot, if they look like these, your photos will be rejected for the underlying technical issues. I think your camera might have had a focus problem with these shots. If not, something in your processing is faulty.
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Do you mean the oil plant 10+ miles away in the background? Or the locomotives. It was a grab shot and not on a tripod so that may contribute to blurriness.
My photos on RP.net were fine, so it must have been the no tripod. I shoot with an XS.
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It was a grab shot and not on a tripod so that may contribute to blurriness.
My photos on RP.net were fine, so it must have been the no tripod. I shoot with an XS.
I have never shot on a tripod during the day. So I highly doubt that this is why you photo would be blurry.
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I have never shot on a tripod during the day. So I highly doubt that this is why you photo would be blurry.
Exactly. Hardly anyone does.

I have a main tripod that I use for night shots and movies, and a small, bendable type that I occasionally use for telephotos (securing the camera in place in the car window during cold weather). But for just general shooting, I have never used one.

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Actually, tripods can come in very handy during the day, especially if you have a fondness for "telesmash" shots, or if you're trying to shoot blurs . . .

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Actually, tripods can come in very handy during the day, especially if you have a fondness for "telesmash" shots, or if you're trying to shoot blurs . . .

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Well If I am shooting blurs, waterfalls, etc, I would use a tripod. I should have been more clear.
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I don't know, it doesn't look THAT blurry to me. The Oil Plant 10+ miles away is, but that's natural. Talking about the second one here, I already stated the first one was garbage.
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It's pretty blurry....
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It's pretty blurry....
Agreed, I had to rub my eyes to make sure I was seeing it being that blurry.

Tripod won't do you no good at 1/500th second in daylight.

I only use a tripod during the day since I'm too lazy to carry the camera everywhere around my neck.
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Tripod won't do you no good at 1/500th second in daylight.
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