Old 08-27-2008, 02:51 PM   #1
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:16 PM   #2
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What's next...a kitchen sink?
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:20 PM   #3
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Given that many P&S cameras have built in video, this is a natural progression.
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Too many bells and whistles is going to start taking its toll at some point. I wish someone would make a no-nonsense DSLR that is high quality but with no bells and whistles and manual only! That would probably cut the price in half.
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Given that many P&S cameras have built in video, this is a natural progression.
and maybe opens up new vistas

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/es...vergence.shtml

the essay is a bit on the technical side, but it looks at the creative issues also
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I really hope that video in an SLR is a fad. This may be a mis-step on Nikon's part...
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I really hope that video in an SLR is a fad. This may be a mis-step on Nikon's part...
Is there anything else to add to a DSLR (and still maintain price points across the range of offerings)? That's what these guys are looking for.

Canon, which has been using the same DIGIC series of chips for P/S and DSLRs, is starting to blend the offerings - the 50D has face recognition.

Yup, it is feature creep. But frankly, don't all the current DSLRs pretty much offer all we need? Put another way, can a bit more high-ISO performance and nothing else sell enough cameras to be worth doing?
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Old 08-27-2008, 05:32 PM   #8
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For me, the user, not the marketing genius, I don't see a need for video in a dSLR. Maybe we could have night vision capability! Mark my words...at this rate, expect to see an MP3 player. Built-in GPS? Satellite radio? A Guitar Hero add-in?
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Built-in GPS?
That part isn't a joke, that has to be coming. Geocoded images, that would have a use for some.

I'm not going to be an early adopter on this stuff, but sooner or later someone is going to sell me a used body with who knows what doodads on it.

Contrary to what Jim said earlier, you can't pull this stuff out and cut the price in half. Just the contrary, this stuff is easy to add on, once designed. Also, I suspect it moves volume; given how good the existing cameras are, new features are an important way to get new sales.
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I did see the D90 will have a GPS do-hicky that attaches to the hotshoe that can geotag the EXIF. It looks a tad awkward attached...they need to put that sucker inside (after they shrink it down, of course)!
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I did see the D90 will have a GPS do-hicky that attaches to the hotshoe that can geotag the EXIF. It looks a tad awkward attached...they need to put that sucker inside (after they shrink it down, of course)!
Cool, I missed that! A few more years of size reduction and it will be inside, no doubt.
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You can see it here:

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Old 08-27-2008, 07:30 PM   #13
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I saw some video samples, and WOW. I've never wanted video in a DSLR, but...it's absolutely GORGEOUS. I think the lack of autofocus could be a killer though.
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Interesting, video on a SLR, how is backfocus effected, will you have to backfocus your lenses? What about exposure? White Balance?

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Well I thought it was just a rumor. I guess not, I am saddened by the fact it doesnt have a built in microwave. But from what I can tell by being a D80 user, everything except the body for the most part is different. I like the new Sensor, the higher frame rate 4.5(mine is only 2.5), and the active D-lighting. Not sure about the built in video camera, that might be ok. Geocoded images would be another plus especially for me when I dont know where I am half the time.
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Too many bells and whistles is going to start taking its toll at some point. I wish someone would make a no-nonsense DSLR that is high quality but with no bells and whistles and manual only! That would probably cut the price in half.

Not that I am a great or in my case a good photographer but I totally agree with Jim here. You start adding all of these different mode and other do-hickies that you will probably never used. It just sounds "cool" to say, I have the pro 5000 with the plasma LCD screen, triple coated HDRI duplex sensor, yada yada, yada.

I would think if they built a decent camera with out all of the fancy bells and whistles for a good price that people would buy, it would be a great hit.
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If im not mistaken several Nikons already have a GPS thing that geotags images.


I did like the statement about a DSLR with out all the bells and whistles, and all manual. I always thought it would be great to have something similar to the Pentax K1000 (or any other all manual SLR) but with a sensor in it instead. Just add a function to control white balance and I would be ready to shoot.
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I would guess the next step would be a camera that sends the images to an internet storage location as you shoot. Data transfer will have to be faster than it is at consumer levels today, of course, but I guess it's coming.
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I would guess the next step would be a camera that sends the images to an internet storage location as you shoot. Data transfer will have to be faster than it is at consumer levels today, of course, but I guess it's coming.

Oooh, I want that!
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Its coming to a store some time , a pro cam that you can shoot the news on Stills and Video to. send one guy out to do two jobs the way it will be. Joe its a good thing you know both! Look for more from Canon in the coming months, And on the shelves for Xmiss.
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Oooh, I want that!
They have wifi links now, if you want to down lode to a laptop in the car as you shoot.
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Polaroid is releasing a camera with a built in printer. No mention of a microwave equipped model.

I'm going to have to go with the "no-nonsense DSLR that is high quality but with no bells and whistles and manual only" line of thinking. I was using a Nikon F3's to shoot slides prior to going digital, and I managed to survive and take some decent shots along the way. I still use those lenses on my D200, and can't imagine shooting trains with AF lenses.

To me, a DSLR that shoots video means that somewhere along the way they made a compromise here, a trade off there to get the finished product. I keep getting the image of a spork in my mind... ok as a fork, terrible as a spoon. I wouldn't mind getting a video camera... but not one crammed into my DSLR.
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Canon, which has been using the same DIGIC series of chips for P/S and DSLRs, is starting to blend the offerings - the 50D has face recognition.
Face recognition - could be useful for shooting Thomas and friends
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Face recognition - could be useful for shooting Thomas and friends
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Darn! I was just looking for an improved D80...with some sort of dust elimination capability and maybe a better sensor. I have been eyeing the D80 for some time as I have pretty much outgrown my D40X. I haven't got much interest in video....just another thing that can malfunction, from my standpoint. Perhaps I should just grab a D80...or maybe a D300, now that the 700 is out. There may be clearance sale prices on the now pitifully obsolete D80 and D300.

Question about the ISO specs on the D90: My D40X is allegedly ISO100 capable and I use that setting all the time. But I have always thought my camera was "dark" when compared to similar-featured Canons. At ISO 100, I'd meter on a scene in bright afternoon light and come up with something like 1/250 at f8, while a Canon-shooter standing next to me would be able to shoot 1/320 or 1/400 for the same aperture. Could it be that the ISO 100 setting on the D40X (and other Nikons) isn't as strong as other brands????? I thought ISO was an international standard. Now, I see the literature on the D90 talking about a base ISO of 200 and I'm even more convinced that the Nikons are a bit on the "dark" side.

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