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This was the shot. This is a rough edit. The link for the reject is gone as its been about a month since I submitted it. The front door doesnt create that much of a distraction I dont think. Thats just my opinion though. Not sure why it's such a big deal that its open. It is yard work after all. It's going back and forth, with crews getting on and off, it's kinda expected that the door would be open.
It's hard to argue that aesthetically with a wedgie, the shot would be more pleasing with the door closed. But to reject it outright only because of that is very nitpicky. However, the shot needs about .5% CCW rotation.
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Old 09-27-2011, 01:56 PM   #27
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Open doors on standard cabs aren't bothersome the way open doors on wide noses and cover wagons are.

It is how railroads work, of course, and it looks like a black hole in an image.

While you got conflicting advice from a lot of folk that I respect, I believe in this case they are wrong, and this image can't get in.
So railpics wants only staged shots now is what you are saying?
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Old 09-27-2011, 02:33 PM   #29
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It is yard work after all. It's going back and forth, with crews getting on and off, it's kinda expected that the door would be open.
Of course, my next thought it why not show a crew member getting on or off the loco then?
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Old 09-27-2011, 02:46 PM   #30
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Common misconception - the door is not open, rather the air conditioning is on.
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Old 09-27-2011, 02:48 PM   #31
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I'm not sure if I believe that. I don't think any of the screeners on here would actually reject a photo solely because the nose door was open. That's just asinine.
200% true. If I knew what screener said it, I would direct you to him for proof. I'm pretty sure I don't have the email still either but ill check if you wish. Its absurd, yes. I tried getting it on a few days before I posted this topic, and same thing: PEQ for open door.
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Old 09-27-2011, 02:55 PM   #32
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So railpics wants only staged shots now is what you are saying?
No - what I'm saying is that open doors on widecabs are problematic.

I'm not stating an opinion for the sake of argument. I'm stating what appears to be true of the screener's decisions.
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I agree, on widecabs it doesnt look the best. But is the mission of this site to show railroads at their best? I dont think so.
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I would not have posted this thread if they had not specifically told me that the open door was the problem. Thats the answer I got from an appeal I sent in. If you don't believe me, I can't change your minds. I simply thought that perhaps someone else here would be aware of their "no open doors" policy and could give me an explanation. You can message all the screeners if you like and ask who gave that reason to the shot. It would be pointless to make a thread based on something that never happened, no? And as I said before, I didn't make this particular edit for any other reason but to show how the open door affects the rest of this particular shot. If I were to resubmit this, I would start from the beginning, and edit it to the best of my abilities. If I decided the color (or any other characteristic) was not suitable, I would not submit it. As of now, it doesnt sound like it will ever have a chance anyways, because of the open door.
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I would imagine the screener meant the open door on the unit in your shot specifically was the reason it was rejected for that. He didn't like the way it was a "black hole" to steal someone's line. It dopesn't mean had you shot looser or more to the side or got a crew member climbing on or off the loco that it would have still been rejected.
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I agree, on widecabs it doesnt look the best. But is the mission of this site to show railroads at their best? I dont think so.
I couldn't agree with the above statement anymore.
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They have an open door policy.
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They have an open door policy.
Appears so, yes. Either that, or the same screener that told me that last month, screened my shot the other day and remembered that he didnt like open doors. Although it seems open door shots are still making it on. Might depend on the screener.
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Appears so, yes. Either that, or the same screener that told me that last month, screened my shot the other day and remembered that he didnt like open doors. Although it seems open door shots are still making it on. Might depend on the screener.
I'd say it almost always depends on the screener's personal preference... once the quality of the given image gets past the "sell your camera" test.

Always liked that spot, but was better before they closed Niagara Falls yard and transfered everything to Port Rob... used to be able to shoot from the west side on winter afternoons (1997-99) before the place was crawling with railroaders. Used to a ghost town at the yard office with just the train crew lifting, back before Port Rob became the hub down there. Of course, they also ran more than just 421 through in daylight (331, 333, 334, 335, 449), which also helped.
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Appears so, yes.
go through the data base, plenty of open doors, so appears they have no open door policy
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go through the data base, plenty of open doors, so appears they have no open door policy
Find nearly every reason you've had a picture rejected, and then go through the database, where you will find plenty of examples of that rejection.

Saw a great shot today of a Pan Am train in the rain that looked very similar to a BNSF train in the rain that I had rejected and rejected again on appeal.

People are people and it's the way of the world.

If they wrote to him that they have an open door policy (and by the way, I've gotten that rejection too), they have an open door policy. It's just not universally enforced because they are human beings.
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Although yes it does take away from the smoothness of the train, its a natural occurance. In the yard, its a given that the door will be open a significant amount of time in most cases. Im not sure why they consider it a reason for rejection on most shots.
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Im not sure why they consider it a reason for rejection on most shots.
You know how people talk about the "unwritten rules of baseball" and things like that? Same concept here -- over time, some folks have come to the conclusion that an open door is unappealing and detracts from an image, and it is therefore to be frowned upon. In a situation where a small group of individuals make the rules about what is and is not suitable for their website -- such as RP -- you may run afoul of their preferences and not be able to get the photo accepted.
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Always liked that spot, but was better before they closed Niagara Falls yard and transfered everything to Port Rob... used to be able to shoot from the west side on winter afternoons (1997-99) before the place was crawling with railroaders. Used to a ghost town at the yard office with just the train crew lifting, back before Port Rob became the hub down there. Of course, they also ran more than just 421 through in daylight (331, 333, 334, 335, 449), which also helped.
What was 449 ? The old 339 of the modern day ? Certainly remembered 332/333, 335 was the train to the NS, heavy too (16,000 tons at times) before it was abolished.
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What was 449 ? The old 339 of the modern day ? Certainly remembered 332/333, 335 was the train to the NS, heavy too (16,000 tons at times) before it was abolished.
IIRC, 448/449 were Mac - Ft. Erie jobs, but given the length of one 449 I recall seeing depart Port Rob for Ft Erie, I think they could go to the US side. That or the set the train out at Ft Erie and NS came over to get it. 449 was not a frequently seen train, at least not in the 1998-99 timeframe.

335 was Garneau, PQ to Buffalo train (1997-99) and was often heavy. I recall it often ran via downtown Toronto, bypassing the York/Halton Subs, and I shot it once just east of Guildwood Stn (stopped at Surpass, Rohm & Haas) stalled. 546's power (2 x GP9RM) coupled up to the power (CN SD40u, CR SD45-2) to give them an assist.
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IIRC, 448/449 were Mac - Ft. Erie jobs, but given the length of one 449 I recall seeing depart Port Rob for Ft Erie, I think they could go to the US side. That or the set the train out at Ft Erie and NS came over to get it. 449 was not a frequently seen train, at least not in the 1998-99 timeframe.

335 was Garneau, PQ to Buffalo train (1997-99) and was often heavy. I recall it often ran via downtown Toronto, bypassing the York/Halton Subs, and I shot it once just east of Guildwood Stn (stopped at Surpass, Rohm & Haas) stalled. 546's power (2 x GP9RM) coupled up to the power (CN SD40u, CR SD45-2) to give them an assist.
Those were the days. Unfortunately I missed CN's foreign power era by about 2 years.... oh well never heard of 448/449. Id imagine they used the CN Grimsby and Stamford Subs correct?
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Those were the days. Unfortunately I missed CN's foreign power era by about 2 years.... oh well never heard of 448/449. Id imagine they used the CN Grimsby and Stamford Subs correct?
My recollection of that time (1997-99) was the former Detroit Edison SD40's and CR SD45-2 were the only leased units I saw in the Niagara Region (NR). Of course, GTW painted units were still commonplace at the time. They had C30-7's and SF30C's on lease then too, but I never saw one in the NR. The foreign stuff wasn't the only cause for variety then, they always had a few SW1200RS units at NF Yard, plus the boring junk then is all gold now. I recall a 449 with units 4810, 3543, 3551, and 9400 in early 1998... some of the last M420W's I saw run.

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If the door is open, just shoot a wide angle that minimizes the space that the nose takes up in the shot.
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Lightbulb My theory on RP's lack of an open door policy.

I think the real reason "they" don't like these types of shots is because "they" are worried that by accepting them, "they" may open the door to something more complicated, and less quantifiable down the road.

Thereby opening "themselves" up to more user frustration and/or criticism. (aka: The Valentine Syndrome.)


Ok Charles, now jump in here and strike while the iron is hot.

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