Old 10-21-2009, 07:45 PM   #1
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Just had this rejected for bad cropping. Can it be saved somehow, or will I run into something else too . . .

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Old 10-21-2009, 08:08 PM   #2
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I like the vertical crop with the dark plume contrasting against the fluffy white cloud, but I think it's a bit crowded to the left. Do you have any more room to work with there? Get rid of a bit of the empty space on the right, add a bit of space to the left I'm thinking would help.
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Yes, less on the right, but also I think you have too much top. There is a point in the plume where it mushroom caps, to coin a phrase, and then above it is diffuse, and the cloud behind it solid white. I'd crop the top down to there. That also really increases the ratio of blue to white in the sky.
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It's ok, but your shot already in the db of this train is much better:

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It's ok, but your shot already in the db of this train is much better:
Agreed. But if we didn't submit multiple variations of different trains from the same location, some of us would have many fewer shots on RP.
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It's ok, but your shot already in the db of this train is much better:

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I agree Bryant, and thanks for pointing this out. I knew I'd seen one of Jon's pix from The Cog before.

The guys are right about what you need to do with the vertical crop to balance it better. The worry I have is that if you do crop too much off on the right, you'll start to lose some of the mountain scenery in the distance, and with a Cog shot, you've just gotta have that!

The existing shot is better, but if you decide to pursue the rejected one, I would follow the advice the other guys are giving you.

Better yet, do you have a frame with #2 topping the hill? Something like a summer version of this:
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That would be a different perspective than the shot you already have in the DB. Just an idea....
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Agreed. But if we didn't submit multiple variations of different trains from the same location, some of us would have many fewer shots on RP.
Do you mean what you said or do you mean multiple variations of the same train from the same location? In either case, there's no doubt that most of us have shots that look an awful lot alike. I'm not saying he shouldn't try to get the vertical composition in question in. It could be a fine shot in its own right, but IMHO, not as good as the one already accepted, that's all.
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Besides, in the rejection that started this thread, it looks like an overuse of shadows and highlights to me.
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Besides, in the rejection that started this thread, it looks like an overuse of shadows and highlights to me.
There may be a bit of that, too, which is why I asked. I took this back before I was shooting RAW, so I was trying to get the appearance right as well, and was thinking it might be a bit off. This is the full photo, so I don't have any more I could give it on the left, though I could crop down the top and the right - in addition to revisiting the post processing. I'll think about it - it may just stay in the personal collection. Thanks for all the feedback!

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Do you mean what you said or do you mean multiple variations of the same train from the same location? In either case, there's no doubt that most of us have shots that look an awful lot alike. I'm not saying he shouldn't try to get the vertical composition in question in. It could be a fine shot in its own right, but IMHO, not as good as the one already accepted, that's all.
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I try to mean what I say, too, but too often what you think you heard is not entirely what I meant. And no apology necessary, but if you're handing out money, I'd take some of that
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Agree with the suggestions on the cropping, but the image also looks a little "soft" to me. Might be my eyes, I got up at 0330 this morning which is far too early for me to function correctly!
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