Old 10-02-2012, 07:22 PM   #1
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Should I take some off the left?

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Old 10-02-2012, 07:48 PM   #2
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If you have room on the right, or more of the train on the right, that would be better. If not, cropping off the left might work but I doubt it.
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If you have room on the right, or more of the train on the right, that would be better. If not, cropping off the left might work but I doubt it.
I agree with this, but would say you need a lot more room on the right. Several trailing cars at the very least.
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Thanks for the advice guys. No more room on the right. Why do I need this? There are tons of photos on this site of just consists of engines. Why would adding trailing cars make or break the photo? Just trying to understand, not trying to argue.
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Thanks for the advice guys. No more room on the right. Why do I need this? There are tons of photos on this site of just consists of engines. Why would adding trailing cars make or break the photo? Just trying to understand, not trying to argue.
you cropped to close to the rear engine. Adding a few cars make sthe photo more open instead of keeping it tight.
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Mark;

You need more train because it's cramped on just the power to the right of the frame. To the left of the frame, there is too much lead room between the train and the left side of the frame. But the main problem to me is that you went to what seems like a reasonably scenic area and came back with a glorified roster shot of four common units.
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In my view the scene just doesn't work well with the 2nd train; there is a band of train across the middle of the shot. Having both ends of that band cut off just looks awkward. Maybe this is one situation where having a 2nd train doesn't improve things!

I would at least like to see the entire white autorack on the left; right now that cut looks particularly jarring.

And it needs leveling; it looks like it was leveled on what is believed to be a flat distant ridge, more or less, but the engines look to be tilting into the other train, and as verticals on both sides of the shot are tilting left, it does not look right.
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...35&key=9402339

I tightened it up a bit, but this time it got rejected for bad color. Thoughts?

Regarding it not being level, the trains are in a curve, hence the tilt.

I was thinking of the photo as having bands, in terms of composition, a layer of sagebrush in the foreground, a band of trains, a band of more distant desert, a band of cliffs and a band of sky. But if it doesn't work, oh well.

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Still don't like it for the reasons I already mentioned, but you might be able to get it in the database.
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Ok, fixed the color cast. Now rejected for underexposure. Looks good on my calibrated monitor. What do you all think?
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Ok, fixed the color cast. Now rejected for underexposure. Looks good on my calibrated monitor. What do you all think?
Calibration deals with color, not exposure. It looks like the plain behind the engine got lots of sun, but the rail line (and the mountain) did not. Sometimes when the sun does not cooperate, one is out of luck, but sometimes not. Try increasing exposure.
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Thanks for the input about the sun.

I have to disagree about calibration. Getting a monitor to display brightness levels at a standard level is part of calibration. Improperly calibrated gamma can lead to images looking too dark or too bright, even though they're not.

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OK, I hear you, but the properly-calibrated monitor will display the exposure level of the shot, whether or not it was correctly exposed originally or correctly adjusted in post processing. So garbage in garbage out also applies.

As does, in the case of RP uploading, figuring out how the screener will view the shot, and the preferences of the site for exposure and light. A complicated problem!
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you cropped to close to the rear engine. Adding a few cars make sthe photo more open instead of keeping it tight.
Yes, chopping off the right is going to make it look funny when you then hack off the left side.

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Ok, fixed the color cast. Now rejected for underexposure. Looks good on my calibrated monitor. What do you all think?
The cropping is still bad.
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OK, I hear you, but the properly-calibrated monitor will display the exposure level of the shot, whether or not it was correctly exposed originally or correctly adjusted in post processing. So garbage in garbage out also applies.
But keep in mind that when a monitor is too bright, it's likely to be processed according to the overly bright monitor. The image will then look underexposed or too dark on a properly calibrated monitor.

The problem is, everyone probably has their monitors adjusted slightly different. The best way I've discovered to calibrate the monitor I'm going to be editing pictures with is to make a test print and if the print looks good, then I have the brightness set properly.

Does this look too dark or underexposed?

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In my view the scene just doesn't work well with the 2nd train.
I strongly agree. There isn't anything you can do with the color, or the cropping to make this a compelling scene. Sorry, but that's my honest opinion.

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But keep in mind that when a monitor is too bright, it's likely to be processed according to the overly bright monitor. The image will then look underexposed or too dark on a properly calibrated monitor.

The problem is, everyone probably has their monitors adjusted slightly different. The best way I've discovered to calibrate the monitor I'm going to be editing pictures with is to make a test print and if the print looks good, then I have the brightness set properly.
Well, it depends on how you use the instrument. I have no idea whether my monitors are calibrated correctly. I can say that I have looked at a gazillion images, so I use my visual memory to adjust my images in correspondence with what I have seen. So if, say, my monitor is too bright, then I end making my shots look too bright on this monitor, but when everyone else looks at them on their monitors, they are seeing a properly exposed image, because I am meeting the standard.

A problem arises, of course, when I go to a different monitor! So I have to be careful. In practice this is not a problem for me in terms of brightness but certainly is in terms of color, and I always process my images on the same computer, to get consistent results. The alternative is to calibrate all the computers I might use to the same standard; if I were more serious about this stuff I certainly would, and I presume lots of professionals certainly do so.
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