I'm curious

sd9 · 09-29-2009, 12:56 AM

I know curiosity kills cats, but I'm curious about the current "top past 24 hour shot", I'm not trying to be the train cop or trying to get a pic rejected but...... not long ago there were a few shots rejected of a derailment, because as stated by Mr. Kilroy,
"Whether you had permission to be there or not, the fact that both of these shots look like you were just about underneath (if not actually underneath) a rail car that's barely still on the rail is the reason they were rejected. This is not the sort of thing we want to encourage amongst our viewership."
and one more from Mr Kilroy;
Just to be clear, the tunnel shot was hit with PEQ because of the fact that you were standing on the tracks. In cases where a photographer was obviously trespassing, we'll use the PEQ rejection reason.

I agree, and with all the other posts about trespassing, not to mention FRA laws regarding this, so why is this one OK?? I like the idea but isn't this crossing the line?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=298636

Bill

milwman · 09-29-2009, 12:59 AM

Killroy wasn't screening ?

bigbassloyd · 09-29-2009, 01:14 AM

Nothing against Travis, but this type of shot should be the gold standard of PEQ for trespassing. I guess you could argue that the camera was 'thrown' onto the track, and retrieved with an attached string while standing off the companies property.

Loyd L.

WKUrailfan · 09-29-2009, 01:29 AM

If only one were allowed to cross the train tracks somehow. They should invent grade crossings so you could do this legally...what, they already did? Nevermind!

Walter S · 09-29-2009, 01:29 AM

I like the idea, but I dont think it was done in the best of places. Its really doesnt do much for me.

I dont think that this image should have been accepted due to the same reasons as Bill stated above. He was obviously trespassing, unless he contracted a bear, deer or bird to do it.

Joe the Photog · 09-29-2009, 02:12 AM

It could very well have been done at a grade crossing. Travis could have mentioned this one way or the other. But I have to wonder if there is any law, real or implied, about what you can do at a grade crossing. For example, you can obviously cross the tracks at a grade crossing. But you can't set up a picnic and stay a while. What Travis did was probably somewhere in the middle, legals, perhaps (or not) but probably not following the spirit of the law.

And that's *if* this was at a grade crossing. In the picture, you can see the flashing lights behind the train. That at least iplies that he was not technically at the crossing or that there was another crossing really, really close by.

bigbassloyd · 09-29-2009, 02:17 AM

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to place anything within the gauge, regardless of location. What if the engineer saw the black object in the gauge, and figured it to be something dangerous?

Here in WV, it's also illegal to use a railroad crossing for any purpose other than to directly cross the tracks without stopping (vehicle and person). I would venture to guess that's a law most states would want to have on the books.

This type of shot should be limited to tourist type lines, with the full cooperation of the employees / volunteers of that line.

Loyd L.

travsirocz · 09-29-2009, 02:37 AM

What if I had permission from someone that may not want to be mentioned?

I waited all day for this post to be started.

bigbassloyd · 09-29-2009, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by travsirocz

What if I had permission from someone that may not want to be mentioned?

May not want to be mentioned because they are not authorized to grant that type of permission?

I'll give you permission to come onto my property and chop down the power poles on it. Think that'll turn out ok?

Loyd L.

trainmaster_1 · 09-29-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by travsirocz

What if I had permission from someone that may not want to be mentioned?

I waited all day for this post to be started.

Your grabbing some unwanted attention from you know who, so I'd rather suggest you not say another word even if you did have permission Travis, just a word of warning. Excellent shot btw.

MDH · 09-29-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by trainmaster_1

Your grabbing some unwanted attention from you know who, so I'd rather suggest you not say another word even if you did have permission Travis, just a word of warning. Excellent shot btw.

Yeah... that person-whom-we-don't-mention-by-name-'round-here claims to have reported you to the BNSF authorities for trespassing, etc...

I'll be curious to know if anything comes of that.

trainmaster_1 · 09-29-2009, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MDH

Yeah... that person-whom-we-don't-mention-by-name-'round-here claims to have reported you to the BNSF authorities for trespassing, etc...

I'll be curious to know if anything comes of that.

I don't care what he says, I'd be more worried about BNSF coming into the picture.

nikos1 · 09-29-2009, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by travsirocz

What if I had permission from someone that may not want to be mentioned?

I waited all day for this post to be started.

Does it matter? I had permission to stand next to derailed cars but that doesn't change the fact that it "is not the sort of thing we want to encourage amongst our viewership" I saw this shot and thought the same thing as the OP but wasnt going to waste time making a thread, but since its here i might as well share my -0.02 cents.

sd9 · 09-29-2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by travsirocz

What if I had permission from someone that may not want to be mentioned?

I waited all day for this post to be started.

I think your missing the point,

bigbassloyd · 09-29-2009, 03:00 AM

let's hope some future Darwin award winner doesn't try this minus the release

Loyd L.

Walter S · 09-29-2009, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbassloyd

let's hope some future Darwin award winner doesn't try this minus the release

Loyd L.

Wait??? Your supposed to use a release, I was just going to lay down and pray. Thanks Loyd!

Freericks · 09-29-2009, 03:31 AM

1) It's a very cool picture.

2) Travis, you have officially forfeited your right to own a 40D. Please wrap said camera in bubble wrap immediately and ship to my home address for disposition.

Ween · 09-29-2009, 03:32 AM

Fire.

Fuel:
http://www.rail-videos.net/video/view.php?id=353

jnohallman · 09-29-2009, 03:53 AM

At the risk of beating a dead horse (cue Jim Thias and his wonderful smily collection!), this is just another example of the frustrating inconsitency that we posters to this site have to deal with. You can now add "trespassing is wrong - except when it's not" to the list along with:

Backlit is bad except when it's not.
Cloudy day/common power is bad, except when it's not.
High sun is bad, except when it's not.
Digital manipulation is bad, except when it's not.

You get the picture. Now, I fully understand that the administrators of the site have the right to make whatever decisions they see fit as far as what does or doesn't end up in the DB. But with all due respect to them, and to Travis, who claims to have had permisssion, this image is just crying out to be copied by some idiot who won't pay attention to what's going on around them, and won't have permission. And, as Loyd mentioned, putting something in the gauge is asking for trouble without the other issues involved - who here really wants to be responsible for a train being put into emergency?

At the very least, if this photo was permitted because there was permission, there should be a very public disclaimer of that fact on the photo itself.

Jon

jnohallman · 09-29-2009, 03:56 AM

And another thing. Travis said he used a cable release? Now we're talking about more than just placing the camera in the gauge. We're talking about taking the time to clear ballast or something to run the cable under the track so it wouldn't get severed. That's a lot of time to be fiddling around on the railroad's property . . .

Jon

Joe the Photog · 09-29-2009, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jnohallman

And another thing. Travis said he used a cable release?

I've been known to refer to my wireless remote as a cable release.

JimThias · 09-29-2009, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jnohallman

At the risk of beating a dead horse (cue Jim Thias and his wonderful smily collection!),

You rang?

jnohallman · 09-29-2009, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JimThias

You rang?

Thanks for not disappointing me!!!!

Jon

Chase55671 · 09-29-2009, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jnohallman

And another thing. Travis said he used a cable release? Now we're talking about more than just placing the camera in the gauge. We're talking about taking the time to clear ballast or something to run the cable under the track so it wouldn't get severed. That's a lot of time to be fiddling around on the railroad's property . . .

Jon

Hopefully Travis used a wireless shutter release. If not, then that is a bit suspicious... A black object laying under in between the rails with a wire leading under the rail, etc. to wherever Travis was standing.

It's a nice shot and a really nice idea, but I'm a bit concerned as to this progressing into something bad, such as a moron railfan doing it who lacks a considerable amount of common sense. We have a lot of those types of railfans here in West Virginia!

I'd also be concerned with BNSF contacting Travis and perhaps attempt to get him into trouble, however, if Travis did have permission, I guess there is nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by JimThias

You rang?

Heh... Should've known.....

Chase

MDH · 09-29-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase55671

It's a nice shot and a really nice idea, but I'm a bit concerned as to this progressing into something bad, such as a moron railfan doing it who lacks a considerable amount of common sense.

Hey! I think I found the kid who will eventually get killed trying to replicate the shot:

Not the best way to watch a train!