Old 01-25-2012, 06:23 AM   #1
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When shooting a bridge shot would a longer shot avoid the obstructions issue (less noticable)?

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Had a compression problem with the first so decided to crop tighter.

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I feel fortunate to see so many of the 'old school' schemes still being used around the Denver yards.

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Maybe. I got some in luck of the draw and appealed some too. But having it the farther way works.
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Maybe. I got some in luck of the draw but having the farther away works.
Distance definitely helps to overcome those annoying little posts.

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You could appeal, of course, but the shot too tight and that makes them more obvious.
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That's a horseshit reject reason...
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That's the single most idiotic type of rejection.
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I'm not a big fan of the shot itself, but those types of rejections can be iffy. Now, if the bridge itself covers half the engine, then hell yes it deserves to be rejected. Railings like that? Nah.
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I'm not a big fan of the shot itself, but those types of rejections can be iffy. Now, if the bridge itself covers half the engine, then hell yes it deserves to be rejected. Railings like that? Nah.
I agree, but if they are going to make him jump through hoops, that's silly. I could see it getting a bad cropping or something, but to give it obstruction for that is dumb.
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That's a horseshit reject reason...
Yea! All most all bridges have them.
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It's a borderline case, but to me the shot is more of a roster shot than anything else, so obstruction it is.

Shoot the scene. Telesmash rosters are generally poor.
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It's a borderline case, but to me the shot is more of a roster shot than anything else, so obstruction it is.

Shoot the scene. Telesmash rosters are generally poor.
This. Shoot a bridge with a train on it, not a train on a bridge.
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It's a borderline case, but to me the shot is more of a roster shot than anything else
And thats why they get hit for having the Obstruction its a roster but still think thats a borderline call
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I agree with it's too tight, but the obstruction rejection seems to be specific screeners' taste, so luck of the draw in which your photo might get. I've seen worse get through. Same with station platforms, some get on, some of equality don't.
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This. Shoot a bridge with a train on it, not a train on a bridge.
This hits it on the head 100%. Your shot is bordering on a roster shot, where the obstruction is bothersome. Had you captured the bridge and its environment then that would be forvigen.
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Default Yes - great comment

Yes - Matt's comment about shooting the brindge covers it well. Sometimes I still have to remind myself to see the bigger picture (and venture out of the urban environ more often).

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That's a horseshit reject reason...
Nuff said! WTF does "roster shot" have to do with anything? This certainly beats a plain jane "stand next to the track and take pictures of oncoming trains" shots that flood this site. Its a neat scene. Thinking outside of the box and creating something unique. It may not be to your liking but I think it is respectable. Awesome engines, great color, cool scene! You've got my vote!

If this were my site...I'm sure you know where I'm heading. If your wanting to just share you images I recommend rrpicturearichives.com. Not the most high quality stuff on that site but that only makes your stuff look better! If you really want a challenge, post to a photo contest site. That way after all the headaches and BS you actually get a prize instead of just the "honor" of having your picture displayed on a website.

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Nuff said! WTF does "roster shot" have to do with anything? This certainly beats a plain jane "stand next to the track and take pictures of oncoming trains" shots that flood this site.


This is a stand next to the track and take a picture of a train shot. It just so happens the engines were on a bridge instead of ballast. No offense to the photographer, but there appears to have been no thought compositionally to include the bridge in any meaningful way. Had this have been a better composition, it wouldn't have been rejected I bet.

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This is a stand next to the track and take a picture of a train shot. It just so happens the engines were on a bridge instead of ballast. No offense to the photographer, but there appears to have been no thought compositionally to include the bridge in any meaningful way. Had this have been a better composition, it wouldn't have been rejected I bet.
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No offense to the photographer of course. The original image was taken from a distance, at an angle showing a little more forethought than the common example shown above. Both fine images but I personally prefer the one at the beginning of this thread.

As far as rr archives. My point was that if you wanted to display your images on the internet without all the hassle than I recommend rrpicturearchives. You can still get comments from other photographers. You can also get inspirational from other's work. All without the nit picky BS that is ever present on railpictures. It's a hobby, I think its suppose to be fun. Nuff said!
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I think just about every railroad shot requires standing near the track. I'm talking about the standing right next to the track and taking pictures of oncoming trains. The ones that show no thought "compositionally". Like this:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...07576&nseq=188

No offense to the photographer of course. The original image was taken from a distance, at an angle showing a little more forethought than the common example shown above. Both fine images but I personally prefer the one at the beginning of this thread.

As far as rr archives. My point was that if you wanted to display your images on the internet without all the hassle than I recommend rrpicturearchives. You can still get comments from other photographers. You can also get inspirational from other's work. All without the nit picky BS that is ever present on railpictures. It's a hobby, I think its suppose to be fun. Nuff said!
You're talking about an image that was uploaded in 2007 for christs sake! If you looked through Loyd's stream, you'd see he is a very fine railroad photographer. I think he may have gotten better in the last few years, not to mention that RP's standards have improved! Let's see something a little more current for your argument.

RP > RRPA.

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You're talking about an image that was uploaded in 2007 for christs sake! If you looked through Loyd's stream, you'd see he is a very fine railroad photographer. I think he may have gotten better in the last few years, not to mention that RP's standards have improved! Let's see something a little more current for your argument.

RP > RRPA.

But... Flickr > All.

It was uploaded early in Loyd's career (for lack of a better word). Along the same timeline as Buffie's image. Of the two, buffies shows more of that "compositional awareness". Rather than talking down to a newish photographer it would have been better to offer helpful advice. Its not secret im not a big fan of Loyd's seemingly arrogant approach to "helping". I've punted that hornets nest on a previous post. Using one of loyd's images to prove my point was just another kick down the field. I'm not going to dig through RP and pull out all the shit, duplicates, and mundane shots. I cannot afford the time.

Moral of the story: critique don't criticize. Experience is great, arrogance is not. It's just a hobby. Great image, Buffie, keep them coming!

Now I'm done with this conversation. Have a wonderful day!
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But... Flickr > All.
The garbage ratio on flickr is MUCH greater than RP. Not sure if that falls into the realm of your "greater than," though.
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LOL.

That is all.

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Moral of the story: critique don't criticize. Experience is great, arrogance is not. It's just a hobby. Great image, Buffie, keep them coming!

There are six posts above your first post that give advice on how to improve the shot. Highlights include

1) Widen the view
2) Shoot a bridge with a train on it, as opposed to a train on a bridge.
3) Telephoto roster shots generally don't work.

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