Old 05-13-2012, 01:53 PM   #51
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Thanks, Robert, for the shot - very nice, BTW, except that I personally dislike the "show the negative" treatment on the edges.
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The "show the negative" shot is one of photographer Jack Delano's great World War II Kodachromes. Since Kodachrome is a reversal film, it only exists as a positive, not a negative.

His work during WW II was for the federal government so all of this work he did is in the public domain and thus belongs to all Americans.

Being archival, all of the image or "artifact" is shown. Some want or even need to see the information gleaned by seeing the complete image.
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:16 PM   #52
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Are you referring to Leland Knickerbocker as a nut job?
You do know I'm being facetious with my comments, right?

By the way, why didn't they keep that red striping graphic in the link you provided? These two graphics look quite different to me:

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Old 05-13-2012, 03:29 PM   #53
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You do know I'm being facetious with my comments, right?
Of course I do, that's why I used the and not the ...

The chief with the war bonnet was his original design, they even had his name on the patent.

BTW ... then again you could be on to something though, apparently the only know image to exist of him, is one he painted of himself!

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By the way, why didn't they keep that red striping graphic in the link you provided? These two graphics look quite different to me:

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It could be because they weren't paint - they were metal medallions attached to the sides of the locomotives.

A few years back, an original sold on eBay for upwards of $10,000.
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It could be because they weren't paint - they were metal medallions attached to the sides of the locomotives.

A few years back, an original sold on eBay for upwards of $10,000.
I'm not so sure about that, from what I understand it was blocked out and the demo units were painted by Knickerbocker, DuPont light red, DuPont chrome yellow, DuPont black and Aloca Aluminum

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Those look like they are painted on
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Classic Trains has the current issue devoted to the E unit and has a superb article on Knickerbocker by Michael E. Iden.

http://ctr.trains.com/en/Magazine/Current%20Issue.aspx
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They were only hand-painted (by Knickerbocker) on the first Santa Fe E1s in 1937. Subsequent versions were on metal medallions, as John Craft noted. These were common on the Santa Fe PAs (and yes...these sell for big bucks!). The versions in the Craig Walker photos are very late, and perhaps are (again) painted---but not by hand, I assume. It's more likely they're some type of decal.
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The "show the negative" shot is one of photographer Jack Delano's great World War II Kodachromes.
Thank you for answering that Dennis, I sort lost track of this thread.

Course, if one calls them self a rail photographer, they ought to be well acquainted with Jack's work.

Actually, I am a big fan of all the government photographers that went out during the Depression and the war to create propaganda.
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Course, if one calls them self a rail photographer, they ought to be well acquainted with Jack's work.
I guess I can only call myself a rail photographer over the past six months or so then. Prior to that, I'd never heard of him or been made aware of his work.
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*Sigh...* Am I really the one who has to do this?

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Seriously?

This is not a shot at the photographer, but I'm a little confused on this one. Two things:

1.) Engine is both front coupled AND coupled to another unit, which is cut off.
2.) Engine is technically facing the wrong way.

Are we that desperate for shots of the heritage units that this gets in? Don't get me wrong, the actual execution of the shot (composition/exposure) appears to be flawless, but I'm surprised that this one "snuck past" the rules of the site. I would be a lot less surprised if this was a shot sent in by NS/Casey, but no, this is just some guy with a grand total of three photos on the site.

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Thank you for answering that Dennis, I sort lost track of this thread.

Course, if one calls them self a rail photographer, they ought to be well acquainted with Jack's work.

Actually, I am a big fan of all the government photographers that went out during the Depression and the war to create propaganda.
As propaganda what Delano did was rather mild. I think the purpose of showing ordinary Americans going about their lives was to make us feel good about ourselves.

This is what I think of when I think of WW II propaganda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI9QzNVJK1s
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This is what I think of when I think of WW II propaganda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI9QzNVJK1s
Pause the video at 1:35 and look in the background.
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Nice catch, Jim! Now, if only there were a train, that could get a guaranteed Tof24 . . .

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One of the comments on the YouTube page says the show Hogan's Heroes was based on that cartoon. Very interesting, if true. No mention of that on the wiki page for the show.
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One of the comments on the YouTube page says the show Hogan's Heroes was based on that cartoon. Very interesting, if true. No mention of that on the wiki page for the show.
It reminded me of Hogan's Heroes, personally, between the general idiocy of the Germans and the deputy German being named Schultz.
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I for one, like it. The moon is interesting to me as is the platform and I really like the lighting and I believe it fits in well with the colors of the locomotive. This is different than most of the wedgies sent in (which I am guilty of.)

But, I am a sucker for the heritage.
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I for one, like it.
I don't mind it either, and you know damn well if the train were blurred that no one would say anything about it...kind of like this:

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I don't mind it either, and you know damn well if the train were blurred that no one would say anything about it...kind of like this:

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Well if the train was blurred, then we wouldn't be able to tell it's a heritage unit at all, unless he lied and put "NS 8105" as the lead unit in the info section. My point is that while he nailed the exposure and composition, it breaks the rules and really shouldn't be on the site. But there's a heritage unit in the picture, so the shot is invincible.

Chase's shot is much better than the other, IMO.
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Well if the train was blurred, then we wouldn't be able to tell it's a heritage unit at all, unless he lied and put "NS 8105" as the lead unit in the info section. My point is that while he nailed the exposure and composition, it breaks the rules and really shouldn't be on the site. But there's a heritage unit in the picture, so the shot is invincible.

Chase's shot is much better than the other, IMO.
If you'll look at my last thread about back lit horizon shots, you'll see that rules are meant to be broken, as about 7 people told me.
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Well if the train was blurred, then we wouldn't be able to tell it's a heritage unit at all, unless he lied and put "NS 8105" as the lead unit in the info section. My point is that while he nailed the exposure and composition, it breaks the rules and really shouldn't be on the site. But there's a heritage unit in the picture, so the shot is invincible.

Chase's shot is much better than the other, IMO.
So, what you're saying is that if the train were motion-blurred, it would be acceptable? A blurred train un-breaks the rules? And I wasn't comparing Chase's shot in terms of better or worse.

I just see the pic as a nice night-time station shot which just happens to have a train passing by that isn't blurred, but if it were blurred NO ONE would take an issue with it.
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So, what you're saying is that if the train were motion-blurred, it would be acceptable? A blurred train un-breaks the rules? And I wasn't comparing Chase's shot in terms of better or worse.

I just see the pic as a nice night-time station shot which just happens to have a train passing by that isn't blurred, but if it were blurred NO ONE would take an issue with it.
No, I'm saying if the train were blurred nobody would even know it's a heritage unit, so it would really be "just another shot." Like I said, it's nicely done, but the lead engine being cut off really bothers me. The fact that the 8105 is facing the wrong way is just icing on the cake.

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my problem with the heritage picture in question is that it looks obvious that the lead unit(s) were cut off in a way to make it look like they weren't really cut off. (there's a mouthful).
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I wonder if this shot would make it on to RP.


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