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So how about accepting something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZvm5H4F-aA
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Old 09-30-2009, 05:30 AM   #77
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But you uploaded the shot anyway. That included the employee even before you mentioned him. Now given the location of the shot, the fact that you gave the engine number AND the EXIFdata shows the time of the shot, how hard is it for someone to figure out who was standing with you?



Way to keep the employee out of this.

Joe makes a good point here about the possibility of getting an employee in trouble. I once took a photo that got accepted on here and it showed a conductor improperly dismounting a locomotive. I later learned from other employees that the conductor in question nearly got fired because of the photo I uploaded to this site. I now think twice about taking photos with crew members in a shot and make sure they are not breaking any rules. You never know who is looking at these photos.
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deleted because going around and around in circles is pointless, again.

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I'll throw in my 0.2 once more..

I'm iffy about the entire subject. I think it's wrong to try to explain to Travis that trespassing is bad and what he did, shouldn't of been done. I think he is fully aware of trespassing, and is no fool, as others have stated. He knew he was risking his equipment, so I think it's kinda idiotic for others to continue telling him it was a bad idea to risk it. I'm sure he thought this completely through.

As for Chris Kilroy, I'm not going to jump in there and call him a hypocrite, or accuse him of being contradictory. He runs a good site here, and knows what he's doing, as does Chris Starnes and the other screeners. I'm not going to tell someone how to run their site. They do a good job as it is.

Should the photo of been accepted? I personally say, yes. Although, I would've included in the description that he had full permission, and most likely would've even stripped the EXIF data to prevent BNSF from narrowing down who might of given him the permission in the first place. After that being done, I see absolutely no problem.

Same story goes for every cab shot that is added to the DB. Should they be accepted? You're trespassing when in the cab. Even when granted permission, the railroad cops would still consider it trespassing, since the crews are not suppose to allow railfans in the cab. That's why I strip my EXIF data and do not show an engine number, symbol, date, time, location, etc. etc. when uploading a cab shot. I am not going to be responsible for getting a crew fired for being generous to a railfan. After getting some tips that CSX wasn't happy for the accepted cab images, I now no longer submit any type of cab shot.

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Old 09-30-2009, 12:36 PM   #80
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And a circle it has been, in the original post, I asked, "so why is this one OK??"
I was simply asking the question, since the Kilroy blanket statement was made,
as I stated, "I'm not trying to be the train cop or trying to get a pic rejected"

We all have trespassed, at some point, and as far as Travis, we all are, always looking for a new and different angle. (and Travis, you have probably gotten about 1500 hits on your pic from this thread, if case you were counting
I thought somewhere in this, Mr Kilroy would of chimed in, but, I see why he didn't, as Jim pointed out, well, posted his video doing the same thing.

So, after 78 replies to this thread I have come to the conclusion; I guess you can't explain the unexplainable.
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Exactly. Like how the word 'of' has replaced 'have' in the past two posts?

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Post deleted. Was trying to be funny again.
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"Again"? There was a previous occasion?
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"Again"? There was a previous occasion?
I dunno J... I laugh everytime I see Joe's face.
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Exactly. Like how the word 'of' has replaced 'have' in the past two posts?
So, we go from being trespassing police to grammar cops! Lovely.
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Old 09-30-2009, 06:52 PM   #87
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Joe makes a good point here about the possibility of getting an employee in trouble. I once took a photo that got accepted on here and it showed a conductor improperly dismounting a locomotive. I later learned from other employees that the conductor in question nearly got fired because of the photo I uploaded to this site. I now think twice about taking photos with crew members in a shot and make sure they are not breaking any rules. You never know who is looking at these photos.

While you nearly got the conductor fired, it was not intentional on your part. Must of us don't know the "Rules of the Railroad", and should not need to know that AAR says that you are to step off of a loco backwards, or NS says that equipment has to be completely stopped before mounting/dismounting, etc.

But, posting a photo of a 'favor' given to you by a railroader and leaving details in is an excellent way to get that employee fired, and good luck on getting anymore 'favors' in the future.

I too think this topic is dead. It evidently isn't going anywhere.

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At least the favor on my shot isn't traceable back to any one employee and he said even if it was it wasn't a big deal. But when it is traceable back to someone and it isn't 100% on the up and up then they stay in my folder. Also, most of my favors come with contact info so I can run anything past the person first.
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While you nearly got the conductor fired, it was not intentional on your part. Must of us don't know the "Rules of the Railroad", and should not need to know that AAR says that you are to step off of a loco backwards, or NS says that equipment has to be completely stopped before mounting/dismounting, etc.




None of us should have to worry about taking photos and posting them worrying about whether or not the crewmen in the photos were working exactly as the rules say. So what if the guy took a picture of the brakeman coming down the wrong way? It was his fault for doing so, what if some one who worked for the RR or FRA came by and saw it right when he was doing the rule breaking act? It would be no different than one of us taking a photo of it and posting it.
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None of us should have to worry about taking photos and posting them worrying about whether or not the crewmen in the photos were working exactly as the rules say. So what if the guy took a picture of the brakeman coming down the wrong way? It was his fault for doing so, what if some one who worked for the RR or FRA came by and saw it right when he was doing the rule breaking act? It would be no different than one of us taking a photo of it and posting it.
Isn't that what I said?
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Isn't that what I said?
I guess it is, I must have read it differently
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You mean, like this?

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Nice to see what THE RAT was up to in his younger years. I see that he lost the extra T on his name also.
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Travis--

FWIW, I like the shot. I think you clipped the top off a little too soon, but it had to be hard enough lying on the track like that while pointing the camera up. Just kidding. When I saw the shot, I immediately knew a remote trigger was used. I use the CyberSync triggers (I have two) quite often myself. I can be ~220 yards away and trip either a camera or flash, or several flash and a camera. Anyway, new technology is giving us more opportunities all the time to take more and more creative shots. Myself, I intend to take full advantage of most of these when the opportunity presents. As for those screaming "Tresspasser!), I yawn. There are at least two ways this shot could have been done without tresspassing at all. One would be to shoot from a public grade. Another would be to mount camera on a monopod and stick it up from below a trestle between the ties. Oh, how come so many haven't thought of that! You can't tell for sure if it's BNSF or not; there are some shortlines with colors like that. There are also ex-BNSF engines in lease service out there on shortlines too. I have received official permission from BNSF management for shots in the past, and I don't doubt your story that you did too. So, I encourage you to keep experimenting, keep pushing your photography forward. Don't allow others to keep you from learning and pushing. For some, it might be your creativity and courage to do something differently that has them most upset. Make the photos your own artistic vision is directing you, not an anonymous moderator on an internet forum.


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Except that:

a) It says BNSF on the nose
b) The BNSF text is obviously in the Swoosh scheme
c) There are no shortlines running ex-BNSF wide-nose GEs in the Swoosh scheme

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a) It says BNSF on the nose
b) The BNSF text is obviously in the Swoosh scheme
c) There are no shortlines running ex-BNSF wide-nose GEs in the Swoosh scheme
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d) Travis says it was BNSF in the railroad name
e) gives the engine number and model
f) and the location of the shot

But other than that....

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KCS F unit at Kansas City Union Station. How dare you take that shot, Travis.

Science museums and old cab units do not mix.

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As for those screaming "Tresspasser!), I yawn. There are at least two ways this shot could have been done without tresspassing at all. One would be to shoot from a public grade.
Technically, I still don't know how true this is. The railroad man may have given him permission to be there, but I'm not sure it was his to give. Also, as I asked rhetorically before, a grade crossing is meant to be just that, a crossing, not a set up a camera, scoot off the tracks and take a picture.

Or video.

I think this thread has asked a lot of good questions and for some of those, we got answers. For others, we got crickets chirping. But the discussion has been civil mostly and at least for me, it gave me something to think about. I wonder about all the folks who gave me permission when I was out shooting for TV news. Did all of them actually have the say for that? And honestly I think about some of my abandoned track shots I've taken from a grade crossing. Where do we draw the line?

I've thought about doing this kind of shot. But it was back when I was shooting TV news. I would do it with their camera, not mine, and someone with the railroad would be there. I guess it would have been the same thing. But I never did it because I didn't want to make that phone call to my boss explaining why I needed a bag to bring the camera back to the station.

After reading this thread, I'm convinced Travis handled his end as he should have (not of) but the question remains for debate whether RP should have accepted it given some past rejects that have discussed in these boards.
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