Old 04-30-2011, 11:44 AM   #1
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I thought I'd try submitting this one:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=926586&key=0

but was rejected for being undersharpened.

Sharpened up and tried again thinking 'Yes! I'm in! WooHoo!'

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=983645109

But this time it's for image quality

I was trying to recreate the atmosphere of 1951 by converting to greyscale - here's the original colour image:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andy.bu...572opt1024.jpg

Any advice? Is the idea worth pursuing?

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Old 04-30-2011, 02:01 PM   #2
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Try black and white, not greyscale. A true B&W shot has some contrast between the, well, the white and the black. Your shot is grey. As for PIQ, I'm not always the best one to judge that, but it does appear to my naked eye (not wearing my glasses) that there is some grain and noise in the shot.

As for the shot itself, maybe a true B&W conversion wsould change my mind, but it doesn't really do much to me. Maybe it's the platform in the way.
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I have a hunch that a B&W has to be near technically perfect for it to get accepted. The sky looks really really overexposed.

I like the shot though. Love the human element.
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Andy, compare the original color version to the PIQ rejected shot. You can clearly see an image quality difference. What happened?
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Old 04-30-2011, 09:45 PM   #5
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ok Jim - I'm using Corel Paint Shop Pro X2 Ultimate Edition for processing.

Well, I firstly rotated the image CCW approx 3 degrees, cropped to reduce the right hand side and bottom as I thought there was too much platform, converted to grayscale, ran the 'one step smart fix' option to see what X2 recommended, lightened the image slightly, resized from 3000 x 4000 to 1024 x 768 using 'smart image resize' res=72dpi, ran the unsharp mask at rad 1, strength 25, 5 clipping, and saved the image with lossless optimisation to bring it in under 1Mb.

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Old 04-30-2011, 10:02 PM   #6
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I have a hunch that a B&W has to be near technically perfect for it to get accepted. The sky looks really really overexposed.

I like the shot though. Love the human element.
Thank you

just to say that there was no 'sky' to speak of - just a featureless mass of whitish greyness... and no sun

But I wanted to especially photograph this particular loco as this was its last appearance before heading back to Scotland. However, I made two mistakes - accidently had the camera on 16:9 setting, and forgot just how restrictive viewing can be with hundreds of camera-wielding enthusiasts milling around all trying to get the same shot as you.

I did manage to grab this though (reduced to 800px to save space):

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andy.bu...CF0546_800.jpg

Probably not up to RP standard though...

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