Old 08-13-2008, 06:12 AM   #1
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Default Hmmm...errr...really?

This one got rejected for composition/balance.
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Now, normally, I know cropping/composition is my Achilles heal. But, I recently downloaded Adobe Lightroom, and, for those unfamiliar with it, shows a "rule of thirds" grid when the cropping tool is selected. According to my grid, the engine here is on that intersection of thirds. If not exactly, then, I would think that it's "close enough" for all practicality.

Thoughts?

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Old 08-13-2008, 06:19 AM   #2
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Grid or no grid, it feels very top heavy to me.
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Yeah, way too top heavy.

Here are a couple of crops that feel better to me....
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Old 08-13-2008, 09:09 AM   #4
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The lens flare is also an issue.

If the composition pleases you... stick with it. I like the composition as is.
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Old 08-13-2008, 09:49 AM   #5
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Oh is that what that grid in Lightroom is for. As said here pretty top heavy,the train is too close to the top of the image. Could maybe take a little off of the right as well. Just noticed the lens flare issue too. If your using some sort of filter that will always happen, I use to get green blobs in my pictures when using a UV Haze filter. Lightroom has a great cloning tool though.
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Old 08-13-2008, 01:33 PM   #6
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I am with Christopher, I like the composition as is, the track guiding the eye in to the scene. The shot says "yard" and the greater emphasis on the foreground track is part of that. Personal preference.
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I think a vertical crop might work for this one.... it takes out the poles (in the left of the reject) and also allows for the track in the foreground to have inclusion in the photo. Good luck.
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I think a vertical crop might work for this one.... it takes out the poles (in the left of the reject) and also allows for the track in the foreground to have inclusion in the photo. Good luck.
Thats awful! The idea was to take a shot of the scene not just the locomotive. I'm still on the fence about if the original composition works...I'm leaning towards yes after seeing the grid but I'd leave more above the engine if you cropped it.

EDIT: Just noticed you cropped it just below another light so I would definitely take some off the bottom and left like Nick did to even it out.
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How about this?

I cropped, messed with the color, got rid of some flares.
The background loco, with the pole splitting it, distracts.
Also I miss the logo on the front loco.
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So, I'm officially divided on what to do. I do prefer the current uncropped version. But, AB2 the Great has weighed in with a preferred crop. Hmmmm....decisions. I might do something similar, but I do like that stop sign in the shot as well. Maybe I'll knock a little off the bottom, left, and right and resubmit.

As for the color, I woudn't go about trying to balance it, as it's already been balanced to get rid of the orange light from the lights.

By the way, anyone got any opinions on color balancing? Should you balance the color to neutral even if that's not how the light appeared in real life? I've always wondered what to do in that sense. I wonder the same thing when a photo gets rejected for "Too Dark" and I think to myself, "But, it was actually that dark out."
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So, I'm officially divided on what to do. I do prefer the current uncropped version. But, AB2 the Great has weighed in with a preferred crop.
Just think of AB2 as being merely Pretty Darn Good and ignore him! Besides, I have it on good authority that he has been rejected once or twice also.

Anyway, I suggest taking both paths. I would first appeal, with a detailed statement of why the composition is in fact balanced to you and what you were trying to do with it.

And then hope like heck that AB2 is taking it easy and not logging into the screening system.
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Maybe I'll knock a little off the bottom, left, and right and resubmit.
Step 2 might be to take a bit off the bottom and left (I think the right is OK). Have both rails go off the bottom instead of one going off the right side. You might even be able to get rid of the blue flare without getting to close to having the rail curve right on the left margin.
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Something about this shot bothers me, but it's taken a while to put my finger on it. It's the foreground track. I love the idea of using the track as a device in the shot, one that leads the viewer to the subject, I've got a few on RP that use the track in this way. Problem is, your track leads my eye away from the main subject (which is, no doubt, UP 1474) and makes my brain see it as an unbalanced composition. No matter how I try to ignore it, the track keeps pulling my eye away from the main subject.
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Something about this shot bothers me, but it's taken a while to put my finger on it. It's the foreground track. I love the idea of using the track as a device in the shot, one that leads the viewer to the subject, I've got a few on RP that use the track in this way. Problem is, your track leads my eye away from the main subject (which is, no doubt, UP 1474) and makes my brain see it as an unbalanced composition. No matter how I try to ignore it, the track keeps pulling my eye away from the main subject.
Interesting. For some reason I see it like this, a left/right composition. The right is the engine, obviously. But it is nicely balanced by everything else, and the track leads you to everything else and helps to tie that all together. Everything else = poles, car, lights, distant engine = YARD/FACILITY, without being a full blown yard with lots of tracks. So it works for me.

Maybe if I had first seen it a day earlier or later, it may not have worked for me; first impressions matter sometimes.
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