Old 04-09-2017, 07:28 PM   #1
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It's still my favorite shot of the weekend. Yes, it's backlit. I think it looks great! No, I'm not appealing.
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Old 04-09-2017, 09:13 PM   #2
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I like it quite a bit (though the lamp almost coming out of the nose bugs me), but for rp purposes it seems like an unsurprising rejection.
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I'd go nuts in photoshop and make it pop, for personal use.

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Definitely.
As is, the image is rather gray overall.
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Im in my hotel now downloading photos, not looking at them for a few days...

I really wish they would have run to Charlotte in the afternoon, much better light for both trips if they were reversed today...
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The same screener probably accepted this one though...

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Not a fan of noses without any detail whatsoever. Applying the shadows tool to the nose would do wonders, in my view, whether or not your goal is RP.
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Of course, 611 doesn't have much detail to offer on its nose!
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I really wish they would have run to Charlotte in the afternoon, much better light for both trips if they were reversed today...
It would have been cool. But then they'd have to turn the whole train a few extra times. Too bad we stood near in each other in charlotte and didn't know it. I thought eventually someone would have to carry my back to where everyone had parked with all the walking and climbing over guardrails I did.
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I really wish they would have run to Charlotte in the afternoon, much better light for both trips if they were reversed today...
The money trips for lighting are always out of Roanoke. Shame that there probably won't be any old signals left to shoot this time.

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I guess I coujld have "played" around wwith shadows and highlights.

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We were about five feet from one another, but it looks like it was different days and different times of the day. This is not a complaint and I'm not calling anyone out. I probably need to take another look at mine. I probably should have shot wider. For some reason, I had my mind set on the nifty fifty at that spot.
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always interesting to compare - my observation for whatever -

Roughing it out he had 2 1/2 stop or so of extra exposure.

His was 28mm on an FX body. Your 50mm on a DX really cut down the FOV, on an FX would been a lot closer. Putting the dark nose aside the blue sky and the full plume on his is very attractive. I also see some jaggedness on the edges on your photo?? on my screen, not sure what that is from??. Not saying I do not like yours but conversions to B/W can be tricky??? Maybe reprocessing like you mentioned

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I would like to see what yours looked like in color... nose light isn't always all that

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We were about five feet from one another, but it looks like it was different days and different times of the day. This is not a complaint and I'm not calling anyone out. I probably need to take another look at mine. I probably should have shot wider. For some reason, I had my mind set on the nifty fifty at that spot.
I knew there would be instances where his shots would get on and others wouldn't. It's part of the business model here unfortunately.

And for the record, he pushed the shadows and highlights too far. It's blue... but it's not
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It would have been cool. But then they'd have to turn the whole train a few extra times.
They would have only had to turn the train one additional time. Saturday night.


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Yeah, would have been nice to have chatted. I ran into a couple RP people in Roanoke last summer and at the streamliners event a couple years ago
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I like Casey's shot. WRT the processing, it looks pretty good to me, although I'd perhaps go a bit brighter. I wasn't there, so I can't say how much light there really was. I would like a crack at the raw to see if I could make the shadows adjustments look a little less aggressive, but all in all, I think it's the best I've seen of the 611 stuff from this past weekend.

Joe's shot appears pretty significantly underexposed, but is still probably within range where the raw file could be brightened considerably without too much loss of IQ. With regard to his composition, I would have gone wider. If you look at my stuff, I tend to go wide most of the time. Until he mentioned it, I would never have guessed that Joe and Casey shot the same location. In general, if the locomotive is producing an impressive plume, and the scenery is not pug-ugly, I'd prefer to go wide and crop later if needed. It's the plume that separates these awesome machines from mundane diesels. Take it all in! Steam engines only suck when they go by clean-stack!
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Until he mentioned it, I would never have guessed that Joe and Casey shot the same location.
There were probably a dozen or more people there that got a similar shot, I set up down at the old pig ramp inside the wye to the S-Line where they store signal crap now, and think I got a decent shot, but I haven't looked yet.
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This guy set up across the tracks roughly from where I was at...

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It's also leaning heavily to the left. Surprised the screener didn't catch that.
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It's also leaning heavily to the left. Surprised the screener didn't catch that.
That's what I noticed first. The only thing Casey's wider shot has going for it over Joe's is the full plume of smoke, IMHO. As others said, a little work on the shadows, especially on the nose, and I think it's within the acceptable range (if you get the right screener in the right mood, of course).
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It's still my favorite shot of the weekend. Yes, it's backlit. I think it looks great! No, I'm not appealing.
This ("backlighting = bad") "foamer j/o rules of photography" BS is exactly why I won't waste my time submitting photos to RP.net. Some of the BEST shots are "backlit."
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The money trips for lighting are always out of Roanoke. Shame that there probably won't be any old signals left to shoot this time.

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I will be there again Memorial Day weekend. Apparently signals are still up at Webster, Villamont, Blue Ridge and Montvale.

Webster and Montvale have replacements up, but not cut in, and unknown if that will happen before 5/31...
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This ("backlighting = bad") "foamer j/o rules of photography" BS is exactly why I won't waste my time submitting photos to RP.net. Some of the BEST shots are "backlit."
There's been a lot of backlit shots of this weekend accepted, expecially of the morning run on sunday, because literally ALL shots were backlit or sidelit on the run from Spencer to Charlotte.
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I will be there again Memorial Day weekend. Apparently signals are still up at Webster, Villamont, Blue Ridge and Montvale.

Webster and Montvale have replacements up, but not cut in, and unknown if that will happen before 5/31...
I've been told they will all be gone before the trips. Most sites are complete and ready for cutover.

I'll do my best to try to run into you, since we keep missing each other every year it seems.

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I've been told they will all be gone before the trips. Most sites are complete and ready for cutover.
Bummer

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Cool! I ran into Chase once in Prince and on the Pokey randomly, but in all that time I was coming up there twice a year, I never ran into you!
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Joe's shot appears pretty significantly underexposed, but is still probably within range where the raw file could be brightened considerably without too much loss of IQ. With regard to his composition, I would have gone wider
I'm not sure why I was married to the nifty fifty at this spot. I usually shoot wider, too, but not here for some reason. My leg was hurting pretty bad at the time though and I was having some trouble standing. But that's no excuse. I'm working on another shot from the same spot. Not sure it's RP-worthy, but it's probably better than this one.
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