Old 06-10-2009, 10:53 PM   #1
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Since I'm in the forum mood these days, what is the reasoning for this being a bad angle?

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Old 06-10-2009, 10:57 PM   #2
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Hmm, I don't understand why it got bad angle. It should've been nabbed for Bad Composition since the subject is pretty much dead center as well as horizon unlevel since the signal in the background is clearly leaning to the left.

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Old 06-10-2009, 11:11 PM   #3
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I love curve shots like that, but in your case, Tim, like Chase said, it might be too dead center. I'd level and crop a little closer to the right:

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Old 06-10-2009, 11:24 PM   #4
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Thanks Ween. I'll give that a try. Too bad I can't come up with a consist like that one though!

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I love curve shots like that, but in your case, Tim, like Chase said, it might be too dead center. I'd level and crop a little closer to the right:

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Old 06-10-2009, 11:28 PM   #5
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Tim,

This is an easy fix since you've got such nice scenery to work with. I would take off a little on the right (maybe even add a little on the left) and add some to the top to get closer to the rule of thirds. Nice shot.

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Too bad I can't come up with a consist like that one though!
Well, no one these days can get a consist like that!
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I wouldn't change anything. It's perfectly sharp, and the positioning in the frame is fine. If you crop anything off the left, you'll have to remove the sign which would delete an object of interest.

I don't see the signal in the back clearly leaning to the left. I'm not sure what that's all about, but it looks pretty straight up and down to me.

If I had to nitpick (which is often the case around here) it would be that the front of the train takes up too much space in the frame, but I can live with that because of the pleasing background and the fact that it showcases a superelevated curve. I suppose you could trim a 1/2 inch off the left, but again, we're splitting hairs here.

If the site wants to be like a magazine, then they can alter our work (crop, level adjust, saturate) to their hearts delight to make it look the way they want.
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I think leveling the shot will also reduce the "funkiness" of the angle and make it acceptable with roughly the current crop.
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It is level, why fix it.
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It is level, why fix it.
Because it isn't!

See the trailing cars and distant signal.

EDIT: upon closer review, yes it is!

My only suggestion is to loosen the crop however you can to reduce the in-your-face feel.
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I don't see the signal in the back clearly leaning to the left. I'm not sure what that's all about, but it looks pretty straight up and down to me.
It's pretty obvious it is leaning to me. Look at the railcars, they all appear to be leaning to the left.

Perhaps it's just my eyes.
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It's pretty obvious it is leaning to me. Look at the railcars, they all appear to be leaning to the left.

Perhaps it's just my eyes.
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I thought so too, until I zoomed to 200% and lined them up with the left edge of the window. I presume it is some sort of optical illusion.
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Looks level to me - but probably too centered for RP tastes.
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I thought so too, until I zoomed to 200% and lined them up with the left edge of the window. I presume it is some sort of optical illusion.
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appeal, it's a well lit and interesting action shot
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Dramatic image. Looks good to me. I like the composition and to may eye it looks level. I'd appeal as is.
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I thought so too, until I zoomed to 200% and lined them up with the left edge of the window. I presume it is some sort of optical illusion.
Hmm, you're correct. I zoomed in and it appears level to me.

Time to go schedule an eye appointment.

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It could use a slight CW rotation whether it is level or not. Sometimes making it APPEAR level helps unless one can clearly see the grade. The signal on the left is straight but look at the box on the right side by the sign. I think finding a happy medium between the two objects (the signal and box on right) will help the balance. As for the "bad angle", do you have more shots of this train, more specifically one where the engine is a few feet further back to show more of the train?
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As for the "bad angle", do you have more shots of this train, more specifically one where the engine is a few feet further back to show more of the train?
Yep, it was crawling at about 10mph, so I do have some more shots to work with. When I get some time I'll give it a go.

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Bah, it's just another Tim Stevens wegdie
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Just for the heck of it I browsed through the lastest batch of 50 or so accepted thumbnails, and I'd say this image as is as good as or better (more graphically dramatic) than the majority of accepted images. I really don't understand the rejection. This is not intended as a criticism of the screeners or of RP, simply as an observation about the inherent subjectivity of the screening activity.....and perhaps the frustration associated with the reality that it just isn't feasible to debate this directly with the decision maker, the screener. But in a way this is part of the fascination of RP.....win some, loose some. etc.
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Speaking of the consist in Ween's shot, does anyone at this site care about that kind of thing anymore? The impression I get is the more 'artistic' the better, and that foamy shots of 'cool' lashups and debatably uncommon power were more or less out of style around here.
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Speaking of the consist in Ween's shot, does anyone at this site care about that kind of thing anymore? The impression I get is the more 'artistic' the better
Really? I remember way back when when the attitude about RP was that it doesn't accept enough artistic shots and focuses only on foamer-type wedge shots!

Have the times really changed? Or is perception just in the eye of the poster?
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Really? I remember way back when when the attitude about RP was that it doesn't accept enough artistic shots and focuses only on foamer-type wedge shots!

Have the times really changed? Or is perception just in the eye of the poster?
It's difficult to say about the times and attitudes changing; it depends on who you talked to and when you talked to them.

I always prefer a good mix of standard fare as well as non-standard shots. And the site delivers. Did CK hear that? I hope so; he's pretty much pegged me as a malcontent.
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I'd categorize all the "deadline" shots in the 'foamy lashup' category as well as the older roster shots/new-locomotive-news photos that frequent the front page.
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