Old 05-30-2009, 04:02 AM   #1
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So I've seen a bunch of cool long exposure shots, and thought I'd take a shot at it. Thought I had a good idea down on the Hudson River with Sing Sing Prison in the background along with the colorful streaks a Metro North commuter train would provide. Got the dreaded PEQ. What do you guys think? Is it worth appealing or waiting and re-submitting? How can I improve it? I did several others that looked very different but I thought this had the nicest colors and well lit track.

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Old 05-30-2009, 04:43 AM   #2
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Im no expert at this, ive shot time exposures (well train ones) only once but from what ive inferred is that you need something interesting in the foreground to frame the streak of light.
The prison is somewhat interesting but too far away and not really overly relevant to the scene. Though i wouldn't want to go any closer honestly or be around there at night at all.
Just my thoughts, im sure more experience opinions will chime in.
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Old 05-30-2009, 04:57 AM   #3
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First, I think you're too close to the tracks. I'm not sure where you shot this from, but it almost looks like you're on railroad property, and I know the PEQ has been given in cases where the screeners felt the shot was clearly taken while trespassing and/or doing something foolish. If that's not the case, make a note of it in the comments box with your submission.

That said, even if you were shooting with a zoom, I think the issue is that the streak is too high up in the photo. It's not as appealing as if it filled more of the frame. I think the idea and the location do have some potential . . .

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Old 05-30-2009, 05:33 AM   #4
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It's too in your face, in my opinion. I usually stand a good 5 to 7 feet from the ballast when I'm shooting at night, mainly because it's not extremely common to see people standing beside the tracks at all hours of the night. The police and people in general tend to find it a bit odd as well, plus I don't want the crews to call me in.

I love the streaks myself, although I've learned that it requires a creative subject (other than the streak of the train).

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Old 05-31-2009, 04:59 PM   #5
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Thanks guys. As I look at it more I think the prison and river are too dark to be a decent point of interest. Several people have pointed out the streaks being too high which is what you get with an M7. I have a couple others that I think are better after reconsidering these things.

I think there are other problems with the shot so I don't think the PEQ was due to it looking like I was trespassing, but if that was the reason I wish they would add a rejection option like "Questionable Location" to better clue us in. Then if it is legit you could re-submit with explanation, and if it really is PEQ you can just move on and not waste the screeners time re-submitting. These were shot from a trackside park where the fence ends so I should be OK there, but like I said I think there are other reasons for this one to get dinged. I think I have a better one in the queue now.
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Old 05-31-2009, 05:03 PM   #6
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Well, spoke too soon. Guess I was wrong. What do you guys think about this one? What am I missing?

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Old 05-31-2009, 05:33 PM   #7
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I feel the streaks in the first shot were much better than this new one, but I think the location is a poor choice for a night shot. The prison is too dark and too far away to work. Try this shot at a station with some blurred passengers and you'll have much better results. However, revisit this spot in the daytime when the light is good and you'll have a winner as well.

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I personally like the second shot a bit better, but the only thing that looks odd is the dark foreground.

Keep on trying! Night shots are hard to get in, but they're fun to get. I prefer night photography over day photograpy most of the time.

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Old 05-31-2009, 07:54 PM   #9
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Take a blah scene with little compositional interest and add three colored stripes and you end up with a weird looking blah scene with little compositional interest. It's just not a good photograph, sorry. Find a better location is my suggestion.
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I'm not a fan of how the lights appear to be neon. I echo what other have said about giving up on this shot and trying something a bit different next time.

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Thanks guys. Chris, I'll definitely try and get a day shot with the prison - I think it will be a cool shot if I can get the right light.

Tried the other direction and thought I captured an unique shot with the TZ bridge in the background, a northbound commuter train in the background and a southbound Amtrak lighting up the rails red. Am I just getting the wrong screener, or do I just suck?

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I've noticed a lot of PEQ's lately on pretty nice shots...ones much nicer than mine. Are the screeners getting tougher or are we getting worse?
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Thanks guys. Chris, I'll definitely try and get a day shot with the prison - I think it will be a cool shot if I can get the right light.

Tried the other direction and thought I captured an unique shot with the TZ bridge in the background, a northbound commuter train in the background and a southbound Amtrak lighting up the rails red. Am I just getting the wrong screener, or do I just suck?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=210418618

I've noticed a lot of PEQ's lately on pretty nice shots...ones much nicer than mine. Are the screeners getting tougher or are we getting worse?
I'm not a fan of streak shots, but even in that category this one is sub-par in my view. This is the streak version of in your face. A streak shot needs a bit of subtlety; the streaks should define the scene rather than force the scene.
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way too dark.

From the exif, I'd try f8, and at least 240 seconds instead of 30 seconds / f11

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Old 06-01-2009, 04:41 AM   #14
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Seriously, streak shots are hard to get in. As I said the other night, (great party by the way, thanks for the beer!) I like the streaks that go off the side, not the top.

However, the others point out valid objections: too dark, too close, and I think most important, nothing of visual interest such as a signal, crossing gate, a lit up waiting train, etc.

As was said, they are mostly black frames with colorful streaks and no compelling interest in them.

Still like the red rails though...
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Old 06-01-2009, 04:12 PM   #15
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Fair enough. Thanks guys. I'll keep working on it at a new spot. ...or I could keep putting up this shot and asking what I can do to get it in. What do you think?

Glad you could make it Dennis. Hope you got some good sunset shots.
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