Old 02-16-2011, 11:16 PM   #1
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Thumbs down They don't want to publish my material! (PEQed Opinions...)

Ok in all seriousness: Well I ventured up to my old stompin' grounds while visiting family yesterday and much to my dismay the old Southern signals at the Yard in Greenville were replaced with new ones. So I figured that last night I would do a time exposure of my favorite set of them at CP Paris. Well NS 348 would end up being my train and this was the final product of a 184 second (3mins 4secs) exposure of the 3 locos, 3 car train:

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It got PEQed and I really feel the need to appeal, but opinions first?

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Old 02-16-2011, 11:35 PM   #2
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I like it But maybe to light? for my taste.
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I would say you used too long of an exposure since you can not really see the train at all.
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The lines on the right side are a little problematic for me.

As for signal shots, they can be a real hit or miss.
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BTW This is the same train moments after if any of you all are curious:

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If the PEQ shot had more of a train in it, then I'd see it having a better shot at getting on.
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I like your photo but it's kind of in-between a night shot with a super-long exposure and a "normal" streak shot with, for instance, a 20-30 second exposure. And it lacks a nice streak, because the train was moving away from you. The EOT device does a nice effect, but that's pretty much the only sign of the passing of a train in your photo. The headlamps of the loco only served as a giant painting-light for the rest of the scene, which, except for the signals, is pretty unappealing...
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3 minutes is WAY too long, especially with ambient light.
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This got PEQ'd too, so no big deal.

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3 minutes is WAY too long, especially with ambient light.
I did test exposures beforehand and I chose to open the shutter once the train approached the crossing behind me to use its headlight to 'light' the signal bridge and closed it once the EOT was out of sight. That's why I chose 3 minutes.
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This got PEQ'd too, so no big deal.
They accepted this one.....

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You said it was a short train...how did it take 3 minutes for a short train to go by.
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You said it was a short train...how did it take 3 minutes for a short train to go by.
Can you say slow order... lol
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I'd go in tight on the signal, but that lighting on the left side will probably hurt the shot. In my experience, signals in the middle of nowhere (ie no man-made lighting) are the most workable.

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I'm not a night shooter, but what difference does the actual exposure of 3 minutes make? Most software has a slider for exposure ...
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I'm not a night shooter, but what difference does the actual exposure of 3 minutes make? Most software has a slider for exposure ...
I am a night shooter, and I'm confused about what you're asking..

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I'm not a night shooter, but what difference does the actual exposure of 3 minutes make? Most software has a slider for exposure ...
J, if I understand your question correctly, the difference is that the train's presence is then reduced to EOTs/headlights. In this case, it could have been better to see lit up trees, a darker spot where the train was, and/or light streaks from the engine.
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Ok, so I was obtuse ...

From what I am reading in this tread, 3 minutes is just an overexposure. Reduce exposure in post-processing and you have what you want. No? That would turn it into what Mathieu called a "normal" streak shot.

I do understand that if you overexpose, say, headlights, you may not be able to save a shot by reducing exposure. But here I don't see any strong lights. Well, there is one.

The point being that he was not particularly wrong to expose for 3 minutes, because that can easily be adjusted in software, and for that matter, that may have enabled him to capture the entire train movement.
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The only difference a shorter exposure would have made, was allow the headlight to illuminate the path more. That is assuming he adjusted the f-stop, or ISO to compensate to keep the correct exposure because the shot as a whole is decently exposed. If you take dynamic light sources out of the equation (locomotive headlights in motion), a scene looks exactly the same* when properly exposed, regardless of the shutter time used. That's why I shoot test shots at ISO 1600. Once I quickly determine the exposure, I go back to ISO 100-200, compensate with a longer shutter, and it looks exactly as it did in the short test shot.

Long boring story short, A shorter exposure is not the answer to his issue. There wasn't enough ambient light to bring the train out. Had he boosted the exposure to the point where the train would be visible, the surrounding areas would have been nuked.

My best advice for making sure you see the train... big ol' spotlight for about 10 seconds. Just don't shine the leading locomotive...

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The only difference a shorter exposure would have made, was allow the headlight to illuminate the path more. That is assuming he adjusted the f-stop, or ISO to compensate to keep the correct exposure because the shot as a whole is decently exposed. If you take dynamic light sources out of the equation (locomotive headlights in motion), a scene looks exactly the same* when properly exposed, regardless of the shutter time used. That's why I shoot test shots at ISO 1600. Once I quickly determine the exposure, I go back to ISO 100-200, compensate with a longer shutter, and it looks exactly as it did in the short test shot.

Long boring story short, A shorter exposure is not the answer to his issue. There wasn't enough ambient light to bring the train out. Had he boosted the exposure to the point where the train would be visible, the surrounding areas would have been nuked.

My best advice for making sure you see the train... big ol' spotlight for about 10 seconds. Just don't shine the leading locomotive...

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I'll have to go back out there and retry it again...hopefully I can get a longer train this go round, it's def. one neat location if I must say so I can't just throw this idea out the window. Just hoping I'll get up that way sometime ASAP!

Thanks for the opinions guys!
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Ok, so I was obtuse ...

From what I am reading in this tread, 3 minutes is just an overexposure. Reduce exposure in post-processing and you have what you want. No? That would turn it into what Mathieu called a "normal" streak shot.

I do understand that if you overexpose, say, headlights, you may not be able to save a shot by reducing exposure. But here I don't see any strong lights. Well, there is one.
Doing so will bring out noise, Less so then making it lighter tho.
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The first thing I see is the bright light to the left of the signal tower.
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Sorry Ant,

All I can see is grain, blurriness around the signal frame and there`s even a dust bunny along the top of the shot just in from the left corner.
Maybe this is a try again another time shot.

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