Old 03-20-2012, 02:45 AM   #1
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“Your first amendment rights can be terminated so says the CPD! Keep that in mind when your out in Chicago track-side.

Ten people were killed and at least 39 others were wounded in shootings across the city this weekend (Chicago) and this is what they were up to, (see link below, you have to watch the video you will not believe it)
and talk about professionalism, listen how many times he drops the F bomb
"F*** news affairs, I don’t care about news affairs. Forget news affairs,” he said."

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The police are out of control in this country, its pretty sad when we are ranked lower than Soviet Russia in terms of photographic freedom. Its taken alot of the fun out of railfaning for me to have to be worried every time about having to deal with some ahole cop who wants to make up laws as he goes.
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Freedom ain't free and it's being taken away from us little by little while those in power hope we won't even notice until it's too late.

I've seen and heard a lot of things over the last four years that really scare me.

http://youtu.be/fCyqwBBCaug

On a lighter note - has anyone posted any train pics with dogs?

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Incidentally, most of these "laws" and rights are still in effect in the US.

Here is a list of helpful items as you battle the war on photography:

http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm

http://www.billadler.net/Photographe...ights_Card.pdf

http://www.zaprag.com/products

Your mileage may vary.

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That's not surprising of the Chicago Police. Once when I was taking pictures on Michigan Ave, a Chicago cop told me to stop taking pictures and leave or he'd arrest me for trespassing on public property.

And once seven squad cars pulled up to arrest me for eating my lunch in my car while I was legally parked on a public street.

I try to avoid going to Chicago as much as possible and I also refuse jobs there any more.

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I thought of recently UP and BNSF had statements welcoming friendly photography as long as it is done in a proper manner i.e. not trespassing etc. It helps keep a watchful eye to uncover the actual crime that is going behind the scenes.
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Chicago is a shithole anyway. The cops there have MUCH better things to do around that city than worry about people taking pictures.
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Wow, a police agency that's worse than LAPD? Never thought that was possible.
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Gangs are the perfect scape goats to revoke civil liberties.
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Everytime I read one of these articles, I'm very thankful to live where I do. I may have to drive 20 miles to get to a store, but nobody here has a problem with a guy standing trackside with a camera at 3am..

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. . . nobody here has a problem with a guy standing trackside with a camera at 3am..

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Isn't that just because there really is nobody there?

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In the many years I have been railfanning, I haven't had any troubles with cops and me railfanning. But last year or so some cop told me I was quote on quote trespassing on railroad property when I clearly wasn't. I was behind the property line away from the tracks. But I wasn't gonna argue with him. Of course he didn't leave until after the train went by. Overall, haven't had issues. But I rather railfan in the middle of no where
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In the many years I have been railfanning, I haven't had any troubles with cops and me railfanning. But last year or so some cop told me I was quote on quote trespassing on railroad property when I clearly wasn't. I was behind the property line away from the tracks. But I wasn't gonna argue with him. Of course he didn't leave until after the train went by. Overall, haven't had issues. But I rather railfan in the middle of no where
Coloradorailfan, after reading about your experience in Reply #12, and that of Chris Z in Post #5, where both of you were not on railroad property, and also on a public street taking photos, I felt a bit uncomfortable when I went to take some photos of a freight train at a warehouse, in Loris, South Carolina several weeks ago.

I had to walk about 1/2 mile or so thru downtown Loris, and on my way to the warehouse and back, a County police car was parked with officers observing the area, and a Sherriff's car and a City police car both drove by me on the highway, but no one detained me or asked me any questions.

I told a friend of mine who is a retired railroad worker about the experieneces of Coloradorailfan & Chris, being told they were not allowed to take photos of trains from public property, and off of the railroad right of way, quite incredible.
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There's a few things I have noticed.

If you're on public property and you're not disrupting anything anybody, traffic for example, I don't think a cop can legally say anything to you. But, that being said, when a cop issues an order, follow it, unless it's something completely ridiculous. Never argue with a cop, it never ends up good. They deserve respect for what they do no matter how much of a pain in the rear end they are. Now, if you really have that much trouble with what a cop is telling you to do, take them to court if your precious little pictures mean that much to you.

Also, as for the news people, they were creating a scene. They stood there in the face of an officer issuing an order, I do believe that counts as creating a scene. People wonder why cops are always in a bad mood. It's because they get a lot of disrespect these days from people like this. These people put themselves in harms way everyday and don't deserve photographers making their lives any harder. I'm 17 and I know this, folks, come on.
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But, that being said, when a cop issues an order, follow it, unless it's something completely ridiculous.
Rights... who needs them? Let someone else defend your right to take a photo on public property. Or, hell, do we really need such rights?

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Never argue with a cop, it never ends up good.
Several policies by transit agencies have been rewritten to correctly honor those rights that were fought for when this county was established. They were rewritten because people stood up for their constitutionally guaranteed rights. Freedom is not free, it has to be fought for lest it be lost. It's a lot easier to fight for something you have then for something you had.


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They deserve respect for what they do no matter how much of a pain in the rear end they are.
"Your first amendment rights can be terminated".
Sure.... And what next?


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Now, if you really have that much trouble with what a cop is telling you to do, take them to court if your precious little pictures mean that much to you.
I'd take them to court even if the only picture I had taken was a test shot of the sidewalk. It's not about the photos - it's about defending your rights as guaranteed by something the current administration is trying amend beyond recognition called the Constitution. I think you can still read about it on-line.


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Also, as for the news people, they were creating a scene. They stood their in the face of an officer issuing an order, I do believe that counts as creating a scene. People wonder why cops are always in a bad mood. It's because they get a lot of disrespect these days from people like this.
How can you respect an officer of the LAW who abuses his legal authority and states that your first amendment rights can be terminated???

The respect must be mutual.

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Rights... who needs them? Let someone else defend your right to take a photo on public property. Or, hell, do we really need such rights?



Several policies by transit agencies have been rewritten to correctly honor those rights that were fought for when this county was established. They were rewritten because people stood up for their constitutionally guaranteed rights. Freedom is not free, it has to be fought for lest it be lost. It's a lot easier to fight for something you have then for something you had.




"Your first amendment rights can be terminated".
Sure.... And what next?




I'd take them to court even if the only picture I had taken was a test shot of the sidewalk. It's not about the photos - it's about defending your rights as guaranteed by something the current administration is trying amend beyond recognition called the Constitution. I think you can still read about it on-line.




How can you respect an officer of the LAW who abuses his legal authority and states that your first amendment rights can be terminated???

The respect must be mutual.

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Well first I'm pretty sure we are not fighting to be freed from the cops. Secondly, there was one cop in Chicago the other day (or whenever) that said something wrong when trying to remove someone that had been complained about (or not.) Nevertheless, they were arguing with the cops, creating a scene, when all they had to do was step across the street onto another median. Boo- freakin' hoo. I've parked in our police station's parking lot to take pictures and they just drive by. Please, don't judge an entire work force on a couple of bad eggs.
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There's a few things I have noticed.

Also, as for the news people, they were creating a scene. They stood there in the face of an officer issuing an order, I do believe that counts as creating a scene. People wonder why cops are always in a bad mood. It's because they get a lot of disrespect these days from people like this. These people put themselves in harms way everyday and don't deserve photographers making their lives any harder. I'm 17 and I know this, folks, come on.

"people like this". You mean news reporters?
"These people put themselves in harms way everyday and don't deserve photographers making their lives any harder?" what were they doing to make their lives harder?
"I'm 17 and I know this, folks, come on."

Your 17! and know this I'm glad you know so much, what is scary is you will be able to vote next year
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"people like this". You mean news reporters?
"These people put themselves in harms way everyday and don't deserve photographers making their lives any harder?" what were they doing to make their lives harder?
"I'm 17 and I know this, folks, come on."

Your 17! and know this I'm glad you know so much, what is scary is you will be able to vote next year
Let's see, they were taking up their time arguing when they could've stepped back liked they asked so they could go back to their jobs.

And is it scary that I will be able to vote because I respect police officers?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

"Don't talk to Cops".. A long but, great lesson about how keeping your mouth shut can save you tons of UN-needed grief. Cops are not your friends folks, the answers to any questions asked are included in their "investigation".
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

"Don't talk to Cops".. A long but, great lesson about how keeping your mouth shut can save you tons of UN-needed grief. Cops are not your friends folks, the answers to any questions asked are included in their "investigation".
Totally disagree. Depends on the situation.
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"Don't talk to Cops".. A long but, great lesson about how keeping your mouth shut can save you tons of UN-needed grief. Cops are not your friends folks, the answers to any questions asked are included in their "investigation".
That is a great video.

Everyone should watch it cause the lawyer is right.
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Let's see, they were taking up their time arguing when they could've stepped back liked they asked so they could go back to their jobs.

And is it scary that I will be able to vote because I respect police officers?
At some point in your life you will have to decide whether or not to take a stand on a matter of principle. If you decide it's not worth it when that time comes, then I feel sorry for you. In cases like this, it's not a matter of whether or not you "respect police officers." As a citizen of the United States, you are entitled to a certain level of respect from the police officers. Specifically, you are entitled to expect that they respect the rights the Constitution says you (and every other citizen) possess. So yes, it is scary that you will be able to vote next year if you really take your rights and liberties that lightly. As Benjamin Franklin wrote: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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At some point in your life you will have to decide whether or not to take a stand on a matter of principle. If you decide it's not worth it when that time comes, then I feel sorry for you. In cases like this, it's not a matter of whether or not you "respect police officers." As a citizen of the United States, you are entitled to a certain level of respect from the police officers. Specifically, you are entitled to expect that they respect the rights the Constitution says you (and every other citizen) possess. So yes, it is scary that you will be able to vote next year if you really take your rights and liberties that lightly. As Benjamin Franklin wrote: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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Very well said. I think the problem these days is the intimidation factor that cops exude. For instance, most larger police forces have equipment equaling the U.S. military. In fact, a chief for the NYPD went on the record saying that the department has the capability to "down an airliner", that is scary guys.
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There's a few things I have noticed.

If you're on public property and you're not disrupting anything anybody, traffic for example, I don't think a cop can legally say anything to you. But, that being said, when a cop issues an order, follow it, unless it's something completely ridiculous. Never argue with a cop, it never ends up good. They deserve respect for what they do no matter how much of a pain in the rear end they are. Now, if you really have that much trouble with what a cop is telling you to do, take them to court if your precious little pictures mean that much to you.

Also, as for the news people, they were creating a scene. They stood there in the face of an officer issuing an order, I do believe that counts as creating a scene. People wonder why cops are always in a bad mood. It's because they get a lot of disrespect these days from people like this. These people put themselves in harms way everyday and don't deserve photographers making their lives any harder. I'm 17 and I know this, folks, come on.


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Railroad photography is what you make of it, but one way is not "better" than another, IMHO. Unless you have a pole right thought the nose of the engine! -SG
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