Old 10-13-2009, 01:25 AM   #1
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Took these 2 shots today, and I'd really like for them to make it in, any suggestions? http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=740099&key=0 http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=986977566
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Old 10-13-2009, 01:51 AM   #2
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The wide shot, too much river, I'd crop right and top.

The tele shot, the nose of the train is right in the center, try to find a different crop. Also, if you have a train further forward, nose past the reddish tree, that would look better to my eye. Finally, you may have a hard time getting a shot in anyway as the image quality is poor. Full tele on that Kodak digicam may simply not provide sufficient image quality for RP, or maybe you had to crop so much that you lost quality.
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both those pictures are straight off the camera, and i've been getting frustrated at the fact that all i do is get rejections. Soon i'm getting a Canon Rebel XS, would I have a better shot getting pictures into RP then?
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both those pictures are straight off the camera, and i've been getting frustrated at the fact that all i do is get rejections. Soon i'm getting a Canon Rebel XS, would I have a better shot getting pictures into RP then?
The wide angle is not a camera issue, it is a composition issue. Fix it! It will get in.

The tele looks like a camera issue to me also, eventually, although the initial rejeciton was not for technical quality.

Whether an XS will result in you upping your success rate depends on what the reasons have been for your rejections to date, so I can't answer that. But I can say that in the long run you will be able to take more kinds of shots in more conditions and have more keepers. I look at my Canon A80 shots and I think some of them would not be accepted if submitted today. Although it is common to say don't blame the equipment, and there is a lot of truth in that, I think there is a minimum level that does make a difference and that level is DSLR.

On the one hand I regret not having upgraded to DSLR earlier, on the other hand I remember that back in those days DSLRs were $1000 minimum. The A80 was a financial compromise.

But hey, your wide angle is nice! Get it in! Plenty one can do with a point and shoot (and modern cameras are way better than the A80). But extreme tele, not necesarily so great.
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both those pictures are straight off the camera,
BTW, you say "straight off the camera" - are you doing any processing at all? And using what software?
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The second rejection appears blurry, or atleast overexposed. Why didn't you wait and snap the shutter about 3 seconds later when the tree wasn't obstructing the plow of the locomotive?

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The tree is the second thing I noticed about the shot after the poor image quality. I'm with Chase on the question of why you snapped the shutter when you did. To me, the first shot looks fine except for one little thing -- all we see is the rear end of an auto rack. If that had been an engine, I think you'd get it in.
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BTW, you say "straight off the camera" - are you doing any processing at all? And using what software?
I used paint.net to reduce the size from 4000x3000 to 1024x768, i have other shots from this day. Let me put a few on this topic for suggestions. The picture below is of the same train as the rejected one with the tree in front of the train. I also have good shots of just the area with no train, would those be worth uploading?

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The first one, id vote that PotW except....... its the wrong end of the train, a autorack going the other direction wouldve been a amazing shot, i like how you can see it snaking around the bends in the river. The image you posted is a great shot, just needed cropping and some exposure correction.
Heres a quick edit i did, i must say a fantastic location and great lighting! I would love to shoot there one day.
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i cropped top and right on that autorack train, still rejected for bad cropping, i think its just one they don't want. I'll edit mine similar to your edit and see what happens. I want to get back there as soon as possible and hope for an auto rack, in the right direction.
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=740906&key=0 rejected for bad cropping, some one want to tell me how its bad?
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=740906&key=0 rejected for bad cropping, some one want to tell me how its bad?
I'm not a particular fan of trainless scenics, and I'm not sure this one will get in, but if you are going to show a town, don't cut off the largest building.
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I'm a bit surprised there aren't more shots from this bridge on the database; this one seems to be the only one - do I have my search terms wrong?

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I'm a bit surprised there aren't more shots from this bridge on the database; this one seems to be the only one - do I have my search terms wrong?

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I think that it just opened not too long ago according to railroad.net forums unless I have the wrong bridge..
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I think that it just opened not too long ago according to railroad.net forums unless I have the wrong bridge..
That is correct, but I figured there would be several RP people there the first days and a number of uploads. Heck, if I were single I might have gone up myself!

It seems that there were only two, one who is still struggling to get one on.
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Didnt realize I cut that house off. Im surprised there isn't more either. I'm begining to think rp hates me. All my shots I think are great get rejected for one reason or another. I'm not going to give up, maybe with the shots I have I'll give up but I'll be back for more shots. Early morning light is awesome there and fall colors make for great shots aswell.
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Didnt realize I cut that house off. Im surprised there isn't more either. I'm begining to think rp hates me. All my shots I think are great get rejected for one reason or another. I'm not going to give up, maybe with the shots I have I'll give up but I'll be back for more shots. Early morning light is awesome there and fall colors make for great shots aswell.
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Old 10-15-2009, 04:42 AM   #18
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This is known as the Poughkeepsie Bridge.

Built by the Central New England Railroad and opened in 1888, it went on to the New Haven, Penn Central and Conrail. The glory years were, of course, the New Haven ones when 50 Maybrook-New Haven end point trips a DAY, in STEAM were on the line. It was so vital for defense that during WW II it had Army guards 24/7. It caught fire in 1974 and was never repaired. There it stood for decades, an eyesore, symbol of lost transportation opportunities and in danger of demolition. It is rather under represented here on RP.

I got there a few days after the walkway opening. The clouds and winds were awful. There was sun to the south and to the north but never around the bridge. Must be some sort of thermal/landmass thing. In the three hours I was there, there was one CSX train and I almost missed it.

It was a thrill to finally get there, 212' feet up and fulfilling a 40 year old desire. Interestingly, there is a grade on the west end and a curve on the east. Otherwise, it is an intimidating 6768' long straight shot and is a 2 1/2 mile round trip.

Anyway, after I saw the other submission, I wanted to get mine on too.

I also was surprised there weren't more RP folks there. In fact, I didn't see anybody there with serious photography in mind.

The plan is to go back. There are many photo possibilities.

So far this is the only one I have that's RP worthy.

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glad to see you got one on, i'll be back up there soon, but every shot i've submitted from that bridge got rejected for one reason or another.
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I never visited the Poughkeepsie bridge, but the Bear Mountain bridge further down the Hudson gives similarly spectacular views - definitely my 1st choice railfanning spot outside of South Africa! Keep working on those shots, at such a great location you've got to get it right at some point.

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bear mountain is another place i visit often, i dont hike up the mountain though, i just go on the bird sanctuary.
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i went back to the bridge today but only managed to catch one train, rejected for over exposure, anyone think its fixable? http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=744565&key=0
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The high lights are blown out, Take it down till there not.
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i went back to the bridge today but only managed to catch one train, rejected for over exposure, anyone think its fixable? http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=744565&key=0
Very fixable in regards to the exposure. The framing and composition needs some work. Actually, you framed the shot rather well. The only issue I have is that the house (motel? B&B?) is parked right up next to the left side of the frame.

However, you didn't let the train move further left and as a result it's in the middle of the frame side to side. So you either need to crop it down -- losing the big building altogether) or you need to hope you got a frame where the train is further to the left.
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Well in regards to your autorack shot, maybe we are all wrong. Id say submit again and if its rejected appeal and cite this shot.....
http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=301749&nseq=6
Your shot was better than this by miles.... cloudy stack cars with no loco in sight and a mediocre reflection, im amazed this was accepted [rat mode off]
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