Old 10-08-2008, 01:12 AM   #1
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Ok now don't get me wrong, but ok look, tell me how this is a POTW worthy photo? last time I checked I didn't know you had to photoshop your way into getting POTW on Railpictures and even then why does everyone say "Wow great photo..." "Ill throw in PCA too..." Like WTF!?! Open your eyes people last time I checked the dark side of the unit isn't the same lightness as the top, and hold on a second.... when was ballast yellow? Beats me but some of you have to give your head a shake, and maybe the screners should to because this isn't P(Photo Shopped)POTW... its POTW and nothing else....

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=253837

Just my many cents after just sitting here watching all this going on...

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Old 10-08-2008, 01:38 AM   #2
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It is a beautiful shot. And maybe, just maybe a touch more beautiful than it was in real life.. lol

I've never been a fan of the heavy photoshopped jobs, but I felt this one was one of Matthew's better attempts... lol



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Old 10-08-2008, 01:51 AM   #3
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Hey look its a photoshoped landscape shot that just happens to have a train in the lower corner.
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It really doesnt look to me like it has had that much done to it. Looks like good lighting to me especially on the mountains.
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This looks Shopped, I can tell by the pixels, and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.

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Arent 99% of pics on RP photoshopped however, they have almost all had something done to them.
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Arent 99% of pics on RP photoshopped however, they have almost all had something done to them.
I probably could not live without photoshop, my last post was jut sarcasm. I would say 9 out of 10 photogs on here could not live without it either.
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Old 10-08-2008, 03:36 AM   #8
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I still dont understand why some people are so offensive towards the use of photoshop on images. Photoshop (or any other software) is a neccessary step in the process of creating a great image. Photoshop in no way ever makes up for a bad photo.

Personally I am impressed by all of Matthews work, in fact I would go as far as to say I think he is my favorite photographer on RP. Why? Because his images are more than just an image of a train. Most of the photographers here on RP seem to think that everything revolves around trains/the train in the shot, forgetting the outside work that surrounds it. Seeing Matthews work just blows me away, great composition, great colors, the images are about more than just a train. Just as O Winston Links images were about more than just the train in the shot.
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Old 10-08-2008, 03:39 AM   #9
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I think that people also forget that Photography is just as much of a form of art as painting, drawing, etc etc.


Who cares if saturation is enhanced a little bit, who cares if the contrast has been tweaked a little bit, what if maybe the photographer darkened the areas around the subject so that your eye is lead to the subject even more.

No one complains about a painter and how their work isn't realistic. But if a photographer enhances the saturation a little bit then it is as if a crime has been committed.
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Old 10-08-2008, 04:50 AM   #10
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I still dont understand why some people are so offensive towards the use of photoshop on images.
There's nothing wrong with using Photoshop and submitting shots to RP. The submission guidelines state:

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Most of the photographers here on RP seem to think that everything revolves around trains/the train in the shot, forgetting the outside work that surrounds it.
Joey, you're forgetting that most photographers here on RP aren't blessed with the scenery found at Matt's locale. Perhaps one day soon I will find a mountain scene that magically psuedo-HDR's my images...

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No one complains about a painter and how their work isn't realistic. But if a photographer enhances the saturation a little bit then it is as if a crime has been committed.
No one's saying bumping the saturation is a crime...c'mon, you've been around here long enough to know the difference. However, when a website has "rules" against certain types of manipulation and people see what appears to be a "violation," then you get the reaction that started this thread.
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Vazzaz is just butthurt because I have two POTWs and he only has one
Besides, it's not like I did any serious shooping to these pixulz..
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Besides, it's not like I did any serious shooping to these pixulz..
Are you CHARGIN UR LAZER!! Matt?
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>_>

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I thought so...
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Old 10-08-2008, 11:48 AM   #15
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The One thing that makes a great shot iffy its from the dark side and looks like its not. I would like to see a Dark side of the train as it has one. Thats the one thing i don't like about the shot. On the other hand its his shot and can do as he wish's, And its on here so it must be ok now.
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No one complains about a painter and how their work isn't realistic.
Sorry, Joey, horrible analogy.
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I think it's a stunning shot, certainly worthy of POTW.

Did it look quite that nice when he was there taking the picture? Probably not. Do I care? No.
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I have nothing to say on the Photoshopped or not, except great job! I do have a question on the POTW though. How is it POTW when it was shot on Sunday, and accepted on Monday...BOTH from this current week? I think I remember seeing that the RP week starts overnight Sunday into Monday, but it was still accepted on Monday, or was it maybe in on an appeal from being uploaded Sunday?
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I have nothing to say on the Photoshopped or not, except great job! I do have a question on the POTW though. How is it POTW when it was shot on Sunday, and accepted on Monday...BOTH from this current week? I think I remember seeing that the RP week starts overnight Sunday into Monday, but it was still accepted on Monday, or was it maybe in on an appeal from being uploaded Sunday?
As far as POTW's go, I believe the week is Monday to Monday - which can yield interesting results - two of the PCA's that were released on Sunday were also POTW's.

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Ok now don't get me wrong, but ok look, tell me how this is a POTW worthy photo?
Its a stunning photograph which I hope to defend using your next few questions.
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Sure, he probably used some shadow/highlight so that it wasn't a completely black side of the train, but in this case it is tastefully done. There is still a shadow there, but he did not overuse the tool to create the halo effect that most obvious PS jobs have. Also, I don't think he was planning on getting sun which is why he was able to settle for the 'dark side' to begin with. It's simply trying to make the scene how it appeared.
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.... when was ballast yellow?
Someone needs to get out into 'sweet light' more. Also after looking at other images from the area, it does look like there is a slight yellowish/red tint to the ties and surrounding area. Not sure from what.
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Beats me but some of you have to give your head a shake, and maybe the screners should to because this isn't P(Photo Shopped)POTW... its POTW and nothing else....
To be honest, I favorited it because it is one of the only photos of his that doesn't have too much processing done to it. Where exactly is the "overprocessing" that you have such a problem with?

Matt, care to share the original? I'm CONVINCED there was very little work done to this photo.
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Out of curiosity, I decided to compare Matt's photo to my only fall color shot. The colors of the leaves are pretty darn close between the shots. I too thought Matt did a nice job both taking and processing his shot. Congrats on the POTW.
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I can't post the original since it was RAW, and underexposed to save the clouds (same as all the other shots from that spot) but here's the editing I did:
Slight saturation bump
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shadow/highlight, less than 15% each
Slight levels adjustment

So yeah, a lot less than my usual
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I can't post the original since it was RAW, and underexposed to save the clouds (same as all the other shots from that spot) but here's the editing I did:
Slight saturation bump
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So yeah, a lot less than my usual
Sounds well within the guidelines to me! My S/H numbers are usually very similar.
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Sure, he probably used some shadow/highlight so that it wasn't a completely black side of the train, but in this case it is tastefully done. There is still a shadow there, but he did not overuse the tool to create the halo effect that most obvious PS jobs have.
Andrew what photo are you looking at? All three engines are completely over-processed; pixelated and halo effect full blown. 15% highlights.... riiiight, for comparison here is a shot with about 15% highlights (12.5% to be exact)

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Granted the lighting conditions aren't similar, but you can see that it at least it looks real, i.e. there are shadows. I would estimate that at least around the engines on that POTW its at least 25% if not more
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No, but you can:

- Open DPP
- Convert and Save as a JPG with the resize box checked and manually type in 1024 pixels with the preserve ratio box checked
- Upload here as an attachment

That's the RAW capture in JPG form. It's not that hard...
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