Old 03-09-2009, 01:58 AM   #1
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It very well could be undersharpened, I can easily fix that but poor esthetic quality I can't. Should I sharpen and appeal or is it personal collection material?
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Old 03-09-2009, 02:33 AM   #2
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I really like it! Maybe sharpen it just a tad? For the PEQ I don't know. Maybe some others can help on that.
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There is also a dust spot on the right side of the image.
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Just a guess Arne.... I think the lack of a train is what caused this rejection. A little sharpening and a silhouetted train on the bridge and this would have gone from PEQ to SCA. Bummer that they don't run trains across it any more. I think it's a nice shot as-is....just maybe RP doesn't think it "railroady-looking" enough.
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Just a guess Arne.... I think the lack of a train is what caused this rejection.
There is precedent for accepting no-train-present bridge photos:
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IMHO, yours is a much more dramatic photo than mine. I'd take care of the cleanup and reprocessing and then resubmit, noting in the Comments to Screener section that it's effectively an appeal and the improvements you made.
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Very nice shot, Arne. Too bad it was nabbed for PEQ.

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Old 03-09-2009, 03:39 AM   #7
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I'll back up Dave on the "no train - bridge shot".

And I may just have one or two myself. Lemme see here... Ah yes!

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Arne, I think your's fits in nicely.
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I made a few small adjustments to bring out the rays a but more. Didnt make quite as big of a difference I had hoped for.
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Made it in after making some corrections. Thanks for the help and the kind words, that is my 50th shot in the database!
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I think the original composition was much better, the one that got accepted has the bridge exactly in the middle of the photo. I thought the screeners liked the
'rule of 3rds" rule but here they are accepting a photo where the subject is smack bang in the middle of the photo! BTW I really liked your original shot.
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I think the original composition was much better, the one that got accepted has the bridge exactly in the middle of the photo. I thought the screeners liked the 'rule of 3rds" rule but here they are accepting a photo where the subject is smack bang in the middle of the photo!
The photo I linked to above has the midpoint of the main span almost perfectly centered in the image. Is that a fatal flaw?

The "rule of thirds" isn't a rule at all, but instead a guideline for composing more dynamic and appealing photos. It certainly doesn't apply to every composition, nor should it, and the screeners understand this.

I think Arne's composition works very effectively because the dark, sandpapery water surface is a perfect contrast to the light, cottony textures of the sky. If he had tried to cram the bridge lower in the frame, those massive color/texture elements which create the drama in the first place would have become unbalanced.
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The "rule of thirds" isn't a rule at all, but instead a guideline for composing more dynamic and appealing photos. It certainly doesn't apply to every composition, nor should it, and the screeners understand this.

I think Arne's composition works very effectively because the dark, sandpapery water surface is a perfect contrast to the light, cottony textures of the sky. If he had tried to cram the bridge lower in the frame, those massive color/texture elements which create the drama in the first place would have become unbalanced.
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I too like the accepted rework better than the rejected one.

Dave BTW..Your bridge shot...excellent!
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The photo I linked to above has the midpoint of the main span almost perfectly centered in the image. Is that a fatal flaw?

Not at all, I was simply trying to make the point that the screeners seem to love the rule of 3rds yet here they are preferring a shot that doesn't obey the rule!

The "rule of thirds" isn't a rule at all, but instead a guideline for composing more dynamic and appealing photos. It certainly doesn't apply to every composition, nor should it, and the screeners understand this.

I agree, it is a guideline, but really there are no rules. My thoughts on this rule of 3rds business as it relates to screeners was to do with a very nice photo that was rejected because the centre of interest was in the middle of the photo, they eventually accepted a new crop that conformed to the rule of 3rds but in the process destroyed the original beauty of the photo IMO

I think Arne's composition works very effectively because the dark, sandpapery water surface is a perfect contrast to the light, cottony textures of the sky. If he had tried to cram the bridge lower in the frame, those massive color/texture elements which create the drama in the first place would have become unbalanced.
I still believe that the original shot where the bridge was not smack bang in the middle of the shot was better but that's just my opinion, of no more or less value than anyone else's opinion.
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Chalk up another "railroad bridge without a train" reject.

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Clouds don't help, you, they make the sky look blown out, especially next to the bridge. That bridge is in (uninteresting) silhouette but the rest of the image is not. I'm not even sure where the third rail bridge is. The lamp light fixture pops in, unattached, and yet it blends in awkwardly. The big, bright attractor drawing the eye into the image is an empty sidewalk.

Yes, you desperately need a train for this one. And more, sorry.
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Yeah, but that's like saying "apples and oranges are both members of the fruit family, therefore we can compare them as equals." Not true.

The four shots shown above by myself, Steve and Arne all have a unique lighting situation that gives the images greater appeal. Yours was taken in mid-day sun with blown-out clouds and substantial shadows in the dead middle of the photo that obscure details of the very stuctures you're attempting to highlight. The photo doesn't show the third track which makes the "triple crossing" a unique location, and the light fixture floating at the bottom-right of the photo is a pretty big distraction -- without any other spatial reference it really looks like it was just randomly pasted into the image.

I think the screeners got this one right. Having never been to Richmond I can't suggest specific alternatives for getting a better shot, but just remember to pay attention to composition and lighting and you'll find a way to obtain a better result from this location.
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There's probably a reason why there are no Richmond Triple Crossing shots on RP. Sadly, it's just not that great of a photo op with the probable exception of a night time shot. But not from this angle.I think you need to be closer to the Southern tracks. Good luck. It was just too damn cold for me to try to figure it out.


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There's probably a reason why there are no Richmond Triple Crossing shots on RP. Sadly, it's just not that great of a photo op with the probable exception of a night time shot.
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Funny. That one wasn't there the last time I did a Richmond search.

An exception in more ways than one.That's a staged shot where they controlled the lighting. I have a variation of that shot on a postcard on my fridge, bought in Richmond near the Triple Crossing. That version is better in my opinion as it's horizontal and includes moe space to the sides.


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In posting my reject, I wasn't arguing that it shouldn't have been rejected, and I certainly appreciate feedback that will help with an improved composition. As others have noted, the triple crossing is a challenge to get an "RP acceptable" photo from. The "third level" of the crossing is actually street level, and it's not particularly accessible. You can't really get any significant distance back from the crossing and include the street level track because you're hard up against the Richmond floodwall on that side. I was trying to convey in the photo that there are in fact more than just the rail crossings there, but there's probably a better way to frame it. Unfortunately, the Canal Walk provides probably the best, and certainly the most readily accessible, places from which to shoot. If you move anywhere else, you start running into streetlights and other foreground objects that will get even more in the way of the photo than the lamp-posts in mine. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

As was noted, a train and different lighting conditions would definitely help.

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I was looking at that photo and trying to figure out where the photographer was standing, because when I was there the other day, I couldn't get that kind of angle. But that's because today, the spot where I suspect he was standing would be entombed inside the concrete of the floodwall that was built in 1994 . . .

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Nice shot Roy. Whata a shot, good timing.

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Hahaha. I suppose someone forgot to read the remarks.

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Wasn't another photograhper's version of it the cover of Railfan or Trains at the time? I'd go check, but I'd have to rummage through them, which... well... it ain't going to happen.
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