Old 05-27-2013, 07:21 PM   #1
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To my eye rotating this either way doesn't look right. Probably won't work for the database, but anyone have a method of determining what is the best balance for wide angle shots like this?


http://www.railpictures.net/viewqueued.php?id=1155253 wrong link here, please see post below
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Old 05-27-2013, 07:53 PM   #2
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We can't see queued pictures, only you can see your own queued pictures.

What's done is done, if it is in the queue, no point in asking people about it. Ask us after it is rejected, should it be, and if you feel uneasy about a shot in the future, ask before you upload!
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Oops! wrong link...try this one (thanks) http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...53&key=4787347
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Looking at it, the baggage car after the second engine and onward seems to be tilting to the right, and the right side of the image is leaning to the right it seems. This is most likely because of the wide angle lens distortion. An easy fix is to use the Filter -> "Correct Camera Distortion" in photoshop.

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...An easy fix is to use the Filter -> "Correct Camera Distortion" in photoshop.

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Thanks! A great tool that I hadn't noticed before.
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The river!!! Level the river! Save those boats and all the people that live off the left side of the frame! I honestly would not worry about Filter -> Correct Camera Distortion because the whole shot needs about 1% CW rotation first.
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I'm not convinced any of the screeners here know what wide angle photography is.
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Joe, the boats on the left are to be ignored - they are completely an artifact of the ultra-wide. Yes, people on the photo margins die, welcome to ultra-wide photography.

That pole above the lead engine is not set vertically, I suspect. Try making the vertical of the visible corner on the nose of the trailing unit vertical. CCW
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This one is simple. Enlarge the image and level it based on the waterline in the middle of the image. Solution: 1 degree CW (as already stated by Joe).

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It looks to me that it needs to go CCW. It just feels like it's leaning to the right and I feel like I want to fall out of my chair.

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This one is simple. Enlarge the image and level it based on the waterline in the middle of the image. Solution: 1 degree CW (as already stated by Joe).

Wow, the great leveler Jim Thias is wrong and I am right! Extraordinary!

No reason why that particular bit of shore at that angle to the camera, not perpendicular at all, should be level in a two-dimensional view, IMHO.
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Joe, the boats on the left are to be ignored - they are completely an artifact of the ultra-wide.
I was being a little sarcastic about the boats. The tell tale sign is the actual horizon line of the river.
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I was being a little sarcastic about the boats. The tell tale sign is the actual horizon line of the river.
Water lines that are not perpendicular to the camera are not reliable indicators of level when the shot is taken from well above water level. That far shore water line is not reliable in this case.

Now, mind you, there is a difference between "is level" and "looks level" and the latter may be more important here, I suppose. And for that matter, getting the vertical on the trailing unit lined up with CCW may tip that pole above the lead unit over so far that it will look weird, even if level.

Looking at the various marine verticals, I see more that need CCW than CW.

Ultimately, I think for this one, I would have to put the shot into software at home and do a full perspective control and see how it turns out. So I won't say I'm right, just that I think I am right. If that distinction has any meaning!
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I'm giving up on this one...after four attempts, the last being for "poor lighting-high sun". I do appreciate all the input!
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So I won't say I'm right, just that I think I am right.
Keep on thinkin', buddy!
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