Old 08-26-2009, 04:48 PM   #1
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I know it wasn't dinged for it, but I was wondering if it looked a little bright to you guys.
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Looks fine.

If you are looking for feedback generally, then

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looks rather unlevel. Putting aside all the crazy angles in the train itself that arise from a view shooting down at wide angle, the trees on the peninsula/island across the river to the right of the tail end of the train are not vertical. And it isn't clear to me why the bit of river in the upper right is higher than the distant river on the left. If anything, in a perspective from above, the spot on the right, being a bit closer, should be a bit lower.

Am I seeing it right?
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JRMDC, that is not the photo that he posted........


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JRMDC, that is not the photo that he posted........
Thus the "generally" ...
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Thus the "generally" ...
I did notice your "generally" motive. However, why bring up another photo when the OP only asked for an opinion on another? Just a question is all.....

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Personally, I feel that it is a good balance of exposure, contrast and saturation. I also like your composition. I'm sooooo jealous, I need to get out there sometime!

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Janusz, you try rotating it and see how funky it gets
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Janusz, you try rotating it and see how funky it gets
It's funky already! Any more would scare me. If that is the best it gets, that's the way it goes. 16mm isn't a picnic, nice verticals across the frame are not what that focal length is about.
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Here is my quick effort, rotate 2 degrees CW, widen the bottom perspective 15 degrees (by that I mean, in PS elements, do a Transform, Perspective , and widen at the bottom until W=115% instead of 100% - on the same screen you set the rotation to 2 degrees).

I spend a lot of time with my ultra-wides working on perspective, so maybe this is something I am particularly attuned to.
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Now the containers on the left look squished! Maybe when I have some time I'll rework it from scratch and do some photoshop magic to make it look normal.
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Now the containers on the left look squished! Maybe when I have some time I'll rework it from scratch and do some photoshop magic to make it look normal.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I forgot that when one does an extreme perspective adjustment that the image will get squished vertically. Here is the same adjustment except I stretched the image down until the H setting was 112%.
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You're right, you are the master of perspective correction. So you used transform instead of the lens correction filter eh? I'll have to remember that one.
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You're right, you are the master of perspective correction. So you used transform instead of the lens correction filter eh? I'll have to remember that one.
I'm not a master, although I have probably played with it more than most. I tend to prefer images that are fully or mostly perspective controlled. So I've learned to muck around a bit. This shot is an off-center crop of a 10mm wide original and took similar or more effort in terms of perspective, rotation, and stretch to get right.

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This one was rotated about 15 degrees because my original shooting concept was much different that what I ended up with. So it had a lot of "issues".

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I don't have a lens correction filter to my knowledge (I use PS Elements 3). As I understand it, the latest versions of Canon DPP have something along that line, but I haven't used DPP in a long time and I haven't downloaded any upgrades. Heck, I've just found out that the newer versions of Canon ZoomBrowser do raw! I've basically locked into my existing tools for a while - still lots I can learn about them.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I forgot that when one does an extreme perspective adjustment that the image will get squished vertically. Here is the same adjustment except I stretched the image down until the H setting was 112%.
Now the engine looks too tall. If I were on my home computer I'd give it a go, but I won't be home until early Monday morning. I saw that picture yesterday and the wide angle distortion is the first thing that jumped out at me. Aside from that, everything else about the image is outstanding. Nice catch, Matt.
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Now the engine looks too tall. If I were on my home computer I'd give it a go, but I won't be home until early Monday morning. I saw that picture yesterday and the wide angle distortion is the first thing that jumped out at me. Aside from that, everything else about the image is outstanding. Nice catch, Matt.
The frustrating thing about the vertical stretch is that, unlike leveling and perspective control, there is no standard for doing it, it is purely an eyeball thing.
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Now the engine looks too tall. If I were on my home computer I'd give it a go, but I won't be home until early Monday morning. I saw that picture yesterday and the wide angle distortion is the first thing that jumped out at me. Aside from that, everything else about the image is outstanding. Nice catch, Matt.
Yes, but the autoracks look better.

The frustrating thing about the vertical stretch is that, unlike leveling and perspective control, there is no standard for doing it, it is purely an eyeball thing.
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I did notice your "generally" motive. However, why bring up another photo when the OP only asked for an opinion on another? Just a question is all.....

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Because this is a discussion group, and it's not unusual for members to reference other photos as a point of discussion.
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Thats fine. It just caught me off guard and stood right out was all. No hard feelings!
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Thats fine. It just caught me off guard and stood right out was all. No hard feelings!
I will add that I would not have raised the point with a stranger. I don't personally know Matt but I have interacted with him enough in these forums that I felt it appropriate.
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And it was. Started a much better and informative discussion. It's something I'm going to have to start playing around with when I shoot ultra-wide, and I think it'll work way better than the filter I have for CS4.
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well, it is a good balance of exposure.
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