Old 10-10-2009, 07:00 PM   #1
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The following photo:
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- Obstructing Objects (Foreground Clutter)

What does the Screener mean saying about Foreground Clutter? I do not quite understand. I do not see obstructing objects besides the reflection in the water! I do not agree

This bridge across the Daugapils river is absent in the gallery RailPuctures.Net. It is interesting that the three national railways are present in the picture, namely, the train of the Russian railways lead by the locomotive of the Lithuanian Railways runs the line with the railroad bridge of the Latvian Railway.

I haven't any idea of what can help to improve the picture.

What do you think?

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Old 10-10-2009, 07:22 PM   #2
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RP Just doesnt like these types of bridges. Assuming you can redo this shot, there are two ways to approach it. Get a train going the other way, and frame the nose in the openings of the diagonal crossmembers, option two which will likely yield better results is going to the end of the bridge, and get the train exiting the box truss from a 3/4 angle showing the bridge behind it.
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:25 PM   #3
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What does the Screener mean saying about Foreground Clutter?
Exactly this: http://forums.railpictures.net/showp...06&postcount=4
The nose of the train must be visible. The train is also going away from you in your photo but RP prefers photos with trains going towards you.

If you didn't state Ekaterinburg as your place, I'd have wished you good luck for reshoot.
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:46 PM   #4
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Another issue: next time, should you go back, aim down, get the entire reflection in the water, which is more interesting than the sky.

In general the more interesting the shot the more RP is willing to overlook the technical details; that might have helped here.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:02 PM   #5
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But the reason for rejection is other, different from what you say!

But what if the bridge would be without a train at all?

In the evening when this train goes back towards me it was too dark and so the shooting had failed. The train is only two times a day here. I liked to shoot just this passenger train with the old locomotive TEP60. The freight trains are also not frequent here.

This picture was shooted at 6:15 in the morning.

Thanks for wishes but I have no chance for reshoot. Nevertheless, I like this picture. So it's a pity...

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Old 10-10-2009, 09:01 PM   #6
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I think you're missing the point. The bridge components are covering up the train. I think what Janusz is saying is that it would be a much nicer composition if you captured the entire reflection of the bridge in the water along with the actual bridge above. In this way they may overlook the fact that the train is covered up by the bridge components.

I hope this helps you understand better.

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Old 10-12-2009, 12:39 AM   #7
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I agree with Chris here on this one. Including the water reflection may be your only hope on this one with the screeners. With the bridge design, it's pretty hard to see the train details. Too bad this bridge isn't surrounded by lights, as that would make it one heck of a night shot like the one below.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...299486&nseq=48

If it weren't for the cool night lighting effects, this pic probably wouldn't have made it. The train is nothing more than a streak, and the bridge design isn't all that forgiving even if it were a daylight locomotive shot. Anyway, give the reflection shot a try, and let us know. (for the sake of our/my own curiosity!) And I can certainly understand the frustration involving the train running when you DON'T need it to! Been there, done that on more occasions than I can count!
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Old 10-12-2009, 05:52 AM   #8
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Let me first say I'm flattered that my shot was brought into this discussion!

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Hopefully I can add some constructive comments.

It would appear that new member frustration in getting an image accepted on RP knows no national boundaries since Irina is in Latvia but has the same puzzlement as any person from the States or elsewhere.

The bridge is the clutter; we can't see the train. As was stated, seeing the front of the train clearly between the girders is needed to make such a bridge work as a photo on RP.

Here is a good example:

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Janusz made a fine suggestion that if you can go back include the reflection, that would be more interesting and then maybe it would get in.

As it is, the train is very obscured, dark, hard to see, and the bridge is very centered in the image.

RP only cares about how good the image is as a photograph. Rare, old, new, hard-to-get trains, RP does not care about; the image must be an excellent photo.

Good luck and welcome to RP!
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Thanks for wishes but I have no chance for reshoot. Nevertheless, I like this picture. So it's a pity...
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Anyway, give the reflection shot a try, and let us know. (for the sake of our/my own curiosity!)
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It would appear that new member frustration in getting an image accepted on RP knows no national boundaries since Irina is in Latvia
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Janusz made a fine suggestion that if you can go back include the reflection, that would be more interesting and then maybe it would get in.
Is it so hard to read from her second post at least that she's not from Latvia and she actually lives far away from the place of the photo?

Regarding frustration, that's the same everywhere.
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But the reason for rejection is other, different from what you say!

But what if the bridge would be without a train at all?

In the evening when this train goes back towards me it was too dark and so the shooting had failed. The train is only two times a day here. I liked to shoot just this passenger train with the old locomotive TEP60. The freight trains are also not frequent here.

This picture was shooted at 6:15 in the morning.

Thanks for wishes but I have no chance for reshoot. Nevertheless, I like this picture. So it's a pity...
One of the realities of this hobby is that it can literally take months or even years to get an opportunity to capture a particular shot under the right conditions. I recently made a cross country move and even after four years of heavily shooting my previous location, there still are countless shots there I was never able to get because the opportunity never presented itself.

I would suggest going back when the days are longer (having said that, I didn't look at the date the photo was taken, so this might be a moot point). If that doesn't work, if possible keep an eye on the train's on time performance and go on a day when its running late.
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:25 PM   #11
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Thanks to all of you for the helpful dusscusion. It seemed me that this particular train is garnishing the bridge no matter towards me or away from me the train is going. Due to the discussions, I knew a lot of points and RP' preferences.
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Old 10-15-2009, 12:35 AM   #12
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Irina try a broad side and be on the same side as it's going and get the power or lead car as it is coming off the bridge. Don't give up as getting the right one finely feels so good.
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