Old 01-13-2010, 02:04 PM   #1
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I would like to know what people think of this image.

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It was originally rejected for being back-lit.
I accidently uploaded again by mistake and didn't realize it until it was too late.
Back to the point, is there anything else wrong with said image? Is it interesting at all? Are there other issues to be corrected/fixed etc.

Any and all suggestions/tips are appreciated.

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Old 01-13-2010, 02:40 PM   #2
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I don't know if it will make it RP worthy or not, but it may be interesting to see this one in black and white. I wouldn't bother with the upload until we see it and what others think.

Everything else looks in check. The lighting is the problem causing other issues.
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The shot looks overexposed on my display. Not sure whether or not that occurred in the camera or in postprocessing it to meet RP standards.

If the overexposure occurred during postprocessing, then I agree with EMTRailfan that it would be interesting to at least play with it as a backlit B&W. I would back off on the exposure/shadow reduction and let the front of the train look dark, as it should in a backlit scene. Get the snow looking reasonable and then mess with the contrast. As noted, it may still not be RP-worthy, but it is certainly a worthy subject for experimentation. I think it will depend upon how blown-out some of those bright areas are and how much latitude the file has for adjustment.
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It is way to blue to start with, Fix that and then post back here.
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Blue cast need to be fixed first.
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Old 01-13-2010, 03:55 PM   #6
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I agree with others about the blue... it looks a bit dark in general, and maybe a little undersharpened (I can't really tell because it is so dark). Definitely backlit... but the foggy background/heat makes up for that IMO. Even if it isn't "RP.net worthy", I think it is still a cool shot
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I find the quality to be a bit poor, especially when concentrating on the nose of the lead locomotive. I see some noise/grain.

Overall, I don't care for the image. Perhaps if you removed the blue cast, adjusted the exposure, and perhaps converted to B&W, it may look better, but still uncertain if it stands a chance on RP.

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Old 01-13-2010, 06:22 PM   #8
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Agreed on the blue tint. Look at the snow; it's not white. Als agree that B&W may be better for this shot. Either way, I think it's cool.
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Old 01-13-2010, 06:36 PM   #9
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Overall, I don't care for the image. Perhaps if you removed the blue cast, adjusted the exposure, and perhaps converted to B&W, it may look better, but still uncertain if it stands a chance on RP.
Well, you may not care for it, but that isn't the same as determining its chances on RP. Get rid of the blue and then, color or BW doesn't matter since there isn't much color at all!, it becomes a basic snow wedgie. It will look nice. The only reason RP might kick it is for no nose light, which in this case does not bother me personally at all.
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:59 PM   #10
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I think it's a very good shot because I like good backlighting like this. I think RP has shown it likes dramatic backlighting too.

It does, however, need processing.

(And never let be said I don't like messing with other people's images!)

1. In PS, I did grey eyedropper to get rid of the blue.

2. In PS, I hit black and white level and a touch of sharping.

Working from the jpeg there are, of course, quality issues that hopefully will be exonerated by a good original.
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O.K.

After reading the comments I went and did it over again. Basically using the "sliders" in PS. And I painted the nose of the lead unit. I sensed the "blue" tint was not liked either so I went with the more natural reddish tint. The first is a color version and the second is a quick B/W in PS with just "convert to B/W" and the scenic option. I am sure there is a better way of doing the B/W and welcome that option. And this time I will write it down.

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The image quality seems to be there so good on that.

B&W looks OK but the color one is still too blue. As mentioned before, the snow is blue, should be white. Use PS eyedroppers in levels to get the balance right.
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I don't know what you did to the nose but it looks really bad, just completely smooth, no notion that it is a V nose as it looks completely flat, and some grab irons and other detail (scratches/dents?) are just gone.
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I don't know what you did to the nose but it looks really bad, just completely smooth, no notion that it is a V nose as it looks completely flat, and some grab irons and other detail (scratches/dents?) are just gone.

Good eyes, J.

Yeah, looks weird. Don't do that.
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Well, you may not care for it, but that isn't the same as determining its chances on RP. Get rid of the blue and then, color or BW doesn't matter since there isn't much color at all!, it becomes a basic snow wedgie. It will look nice. The only reason RP might kick it is for no nose light, which in this case does not bother me personally at all.
Right. I'm not extremely fond of the image, but I didn't state that I was positive it would be rejected.

I think backlit and snow makes for a nice image in most cases, but with a simple composition, I would imagine lighting would have to be near perfect.

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With some tweeking I like it. Can't beat dramatic back or side lit images.

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The painting of the nose does look extremely bad.
However i am digging the color edit otherwise, i like the way you brought out the sky too, it adds to the image.
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Well, after some more playing this is where I am.

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I still can't seem to get the color right. The problem was/is that the sun was just on the edge of the cloud bank giving the reddish tint. If I try to get rid of that it gets more blue to which everyone said--NO Blue.

I want to try and keep as much pronounced heat distortion as possible and make the clouds stand out but feel as though I am losing ground so to speak on which way to go.

So--Too dark? Too Red? Contrast O.K.? What's wrong with it?

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Well, after some more playing this is where I am.

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I still can't seem to get the color right. The problem was/is that the sun was just on the edge of the cloud bank giving the reddish tint. If I try to get rid of that it gets more blue to which everyone said--NO Blue.

I want to try and keep as much pronounced heat distortion as possible and make the clouds stand out but feel as though I am losing ground so to speak on which way to go.

So--Too dark? Too Red? Contrast O.K.? What's wrong with it?

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Correct your exposure first, then tweak the color.

For exposure and contrast, look at my first suggestion.

You will find most color issues go away with correct exposure/levels.
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Well even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile

Thanks guys for the help!

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Congrats! It deserved to be in the DB.




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Now that's an enthusiastic photo if I've ever seen one!

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