Old 05-20-2010, 07:41 PM   #1
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Got this reject today. I thought it was a little harsh.

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Old 05-20-2010, 07:43 PM   #2
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Old 05-20-2010, 08:05 PM   #3
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Two things occur to me. First, although it may not be "everyday" common power anymore, I can see where the screeners might feel that you could with relative ease go back and repeat the shot when the lighting is better. I may not agree with them that the lighting is bad in the first place, but it's their site. The second issue, though, is what kills the current version for me: there seem to be some pretty funky things going on with the clouds in the sky. It looks like a pretty serious moire effect or halo-ing. I don't know if its a result of the post-processing or what, but I'd say fix that before appealing.

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Old 05-20-2010, 08:05 PM   #4
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Old 05-20-2010, 08:11 PM   #5
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Depends on what you want RP to be.

To me this is a standard roster shot, poor light, no dimension of interesting rail photography, pure documentation shot, I say you or someone else should reshoot in better light.

I'll add this - overcast light of this sort is nice for capturing detail in things like drivers and undercarriage without nasty shadows. Some detail shots would be nice to see.

Not a fan of this one, as far as RP inclusion goes.

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OK, maybe its not terribly artistic, perhaps a record shot, but......Crikey! Another cloudy rejection. I thought this had a little more about it.

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Old 05-20-2010, 09:09 PM   #7
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The second one is, I don't want to say worse, but I can't think of a better way to say it, than the first. Not only is it cloudy, but the bottom of the train is now obstructed. I could see the first shot having a chance at inclusion, but the second shot, no. Howsever, for RP, reshoot. The only excption I can see is if theyre going to repaint her, like, this weekend.
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What is up with the sky on the first one? Looks like it's the Attack of the Clones all over again or something.
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I agree that the second shot suffers more from the lighting than the first. It ends looking dull. For atmosphere to go along with the wartime theme, I think a downpour would be perfect! Those are hard to arrange, of course, and there's no guarantee that the screeners would go for the "artistic" value of such a shot. But, with no rain I'm afraid it just ends up blah. Sorry, Graham.

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Hi,
What a great looking engine! 1st photo, I'm afraid it's a bit too obvious that you've added some sky at the top to balance to shot as I can see the banding. The white's in the sky are also clipping, a grad filter either when taking, or added in post processing later, would fix this. As for the second photo, I don't mind the fact that part of the engine is missing, it's behind a platform with people on it, that's what stations are, they're a feature of railways and therefore can't be called a fault in my opinion. My only faults are, it's a little washed out, a little more more contrast will fix that, and it's cropped a little too tight on the right to me. Maybe with having the WWII guys a nice black and white convert might work.
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The second issue, though, is what kills the current version for me: there seem to be some pretty funky things going on with the clouds in the sky. It looks like a pretty serious moire effect or halo-ing.
That is because he (most likely) inside of photoshop used the "resize canvas" to give himself more room at the top of the frame and then (very poorly executed) used the clone tool to clone into the void. Its pretty obvious that is what he did. Which is OK, but he needs to do a better job of it.
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Well your subject even if uncommon is very poorly lit and it just doesn't look good in both.

1st the sky is also a disaster.

2nd one is poor cropping. You crop way to close to the front of the locomotive. If you say it's about the people then crop in on them.
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On cloudy days, including blown out, overcast sky, spells disaster with the screeners. You will almost certainly get a reject.

However, I do like the first shot and can appreciate the one-time opportunity/can't choose the weather dilemna.

Here's an example of my own cloudy rejection a few weeks back. There is absolutely no chance of a re-shoot. I would have cost PNQ Coal thousands of dollars to transfer these electric locomotives from Brisbane to Yukan (905km/565mi) so they wont' be in a hurry to do it again.
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Cloudy shot or not, I think they are both great pictures.
A lot better than some I've seen accepted on here.
Shouldn't matter who's website they get on, but I sure would put them out for the world to see.

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Guilty as charged on the sky on no.1. I've had two more rejections for the same reason.

I now know the problem. The point is not cloudy, or common power. It's the poor lighting bit.

The problem is my computer. I know that a poor workman always blames his tools, but in this case it's true.

About a month ago I replaced my laptop with a nice new Sony. Lovely machine but is has a very bright screen. When I process a photo, everything looks fine. Post it to the web and view it on another computer and it looks really dark and gloomy. If you look at my recent uploads, you'll see what I mean.

I'll have to turn down the brightness on the screen, I suppose.

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I'll have to turn down the brightness on the screen, I suppose.
Or profile it? Its faster then guessing
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:36 PM   #17
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Don't worry Graham, I get Cloudy/Common rejects all the time. Unfortunately, as all my shots are taken over 20 years ago, they are invariably impossible to re-shoot. The joys of living in the UK!!
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:46 PM   #18
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Got this reject today. I thought it was a little harsh.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=815559&key=0

Any thoughts, anyone?

It should have been rejected for "never paint an 8F red - it's an insult."

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