Old 02-05-2013, 03:45 PM   #1
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Question Appt. with the level physicians needed

As Bugs would say....Eeedadadadeee, which way doc!

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I have used my 2 upload allotment for the day. Would an appeal work because me thinks it is level when using the buildings as a reference?

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Old 02-05-2013, 03:52 PM   #2
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Open the image in a browser, zoom in, and you will see that none of the verticals in the engines are vertical. A bit of clockwise is needed. The engines are the dominant elements and there appears to be no substantial grade here.

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Old 02-05-2013, 04:08 PM   #3
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The buildings are leaning to the left. The train appears to be on a slightly elevated curve, so I wouldn't use the verticals on the locos as a reference.
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The buildings are leaning to the left. The train appears to be on a slightly elevated curve, so I wouldn't use the verticals on the locos as a reference.
When I use the snipping tool on the screen image the buidling edges appear to be vertical. I will try tomorrow with a .15 degree CCW. What are the screeners bandwidth for level? Should I do finer rotation?

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Looks to be around .5 ccw

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Old 02-05-2013, 06:37 PM   #6
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When I use the snipping tool on the screen image the buidling edges appear to be vertical. I will try tomorrow with a .15 degree CCW. What are the screeners bandwidth for level? Should I do finer rotation?

Thanks for the quick reply Dr. T!
If you go CCW, it will be more unlevel. I went about 1.2 CW based on the building verticals (the brick one in particular).
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As Bugs would say....Eeedadadadeee, which way doc!
Thoughts?
It would seem so simple to have admin simply suggest in these rejections of mere public hairs CW or CCW.

Based on this image, however, I am beginning to think the reason they do not specify at the bare minimum at least the direction CW or CCW might simply be due to the fact that they don't even know...

"I'm not saying it's leaning CW nor CWW, I'm just saying it's leaning..."

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When I use the snipping tool on the screen image the buidling edges appear to be vertical. I will try tomorrow with a .15 degree CCW. What are the screeners bandwidth for level? Should I do finer rotation?

Thanks for the quick reply Dr. T!
Thanks Dr. T.! I musta stutter typed when I hit the C. Ahh, if only I would have paid attention in typing class back in the 70's instead of making paper airplanes........

I will split the difference since both Level Docs have weighed in with their diagnosis'! Thanks Guys
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I just cannot make Dr. Thias' adjustment work for me. I guess that's why Doctors 'practice'

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I just cannot make Dr. Thias' adjustment work for me. I guess that's why Doctors 'practice'

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You've just been demoted to "nurse."
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You've just been demoted to "nurse."
Then it's my duty to make sure you're not screwing something up. Here's your 1.25 cw solution, Where exactly did you see something level?



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Dang nab it! That rascally screener rejected me again!

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...53&key=2717486

I went .75 CW, splitting the diff. between the two board ceritfied Dr's of Level. Now what? Should I appeal and expect an answer saying which way to go
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Then it's my duty to make sure you're not screwing something up. Here's your 1.25 cw solution, Where exactly did you see something level?
It's those poles throwing you off. Clone 'em out and the image will look level. heh heh Looks like you went too far. Are you sure that's not 1.3 CW?

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Dang nab it! That rascally screener rejected me again!

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...53&key=2717486

I went .75 CW, splitting the diff. between the two board ceritfied Dr's of Level. Now what? Should I appeal and expect an answer saying which way to go
Looks good to me....and Ron...and Mitch. May be time to appeal.

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It's those poles throwing you off. Clone 'em out and the image will look level. heh heh Looks like you went too far. Are you sure that's not 1.3 CW?
I can't stop looking at the red building, the chimney, and the window lines long enough to notice the poles

I didn't go too far, I was just following doctors orders

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The roof of that building looks like a ski slope now.

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The roof of that building looks like a ski slope now.
As it should due to the angle at which we are viewing it.
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I threw a grid on it and the building looks like it should go .5 degrees CCW. The train looks like it's on a curve and it would naturally be super elevated.

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I threw a grid on it and the building looks like it should go .5 degrees CCW. The train looks like it's on a curve and it would naturally be super elevated.

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That's exactly what I saw when I blew the image up 300% and put a grid on it.

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My appeal on this image was rejected.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...53&key=2717486

Which one you is a level psychologist? Me thinks the illness is now mental.

Which way should I rotate the above image? The screeners gave me no other rejection reason so I should go if only I can get to their level of levelness
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CW didn't work, so go .5 CCW and I figure it'll be level for RP.

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Does anyone think there may be a few more rejections eventually for this shot?

Bad cropiing? Too dark? Underexposed? Composition/Balance?
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Does anyone think there may be a few more rejections eventually for this shot?

Bad cropiing? Too dark? Underexposed? Composition/Balance?
For that matter "cloudy/common"? If it's snowing, it's not really noticeable in the shot and otherwise it just looks like a cloudy shot of a H-unit. I know people still get excited over seeing them but for the purposes of rp.net aren't they all "common" yet when it comes to the dull cloudy shots? There's no shortage of pretty sunny shots of all the H-units on rp.net...
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CW didn't work, so go .5 CCW and I figure it'll be level for RP.

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That won't work either. The simple fact is, they hate him.
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Does anyone think there may be a few more rejections eventually for this shot?

Bad cropiing? Too dark? Underexposed? Composition/Balance?
That's why I asked Joe. I am not enamored with the image either, but the "screeners" did not mention any other issue. Do you think they are just playing mental "ping-pong" and stringing me along for some sort of winter mental olympics? I guess you got to make your fun any way you can.

Usually screeners will offer more than one fault if they feel your image has multiple faults. They didn't so I leveled and re-submitted. The inconsistency is and lack of clear response is frustrating. In other words, customer service needs improvement

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Usually screeners will offer more than one fault if they feel your image has multiple faults. They didn't so I leveled and re-submitted. The inconsistency is and lack of clear response is frustrating. In other words, customer servie need improvement
I would say that anyone who believes this just isn't paying attention!

I think it is more accurate to say that a screener does a quick assessment, and if bells go off, they click on one or two things, in many cases one, reject and move on. They don't take the time to figure out all the faults, just enough to make a decision. So yes you will get other rejects down the road.

Frankly, I have seen you around the forums enough that I am surprised you don't know this is how it works.
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