Old 04-13-2017, 01:25 AM   #26
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I still like this version better. I may not have looked at it again if the other shot hadn't been rejected, too.

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Old 04-13-2017, 01:40 AM   #27
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I'm not sure why I was married to the nifty fifty at this spot. I usually shoot wider, too, but not here for some reason. My leg was hurting pretty bad at the time though and I was having some trouble standing. But that's no excuse. I'm working on another shot from the same spot. Not sure it's RP-worthy, but it's probably better than this one.
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I've become interested in primes myself lately. In the last year, I've purchased 5 of them. I have a 20, 24, 35, 50 and 85. And although they refer to the 50 as a "normal lens", and I shot a Nikkor 50mm f/2 for YEARS when I was young, I now find the 50 to be the least useful lens I own. In fact, I have started to wonder if I could do a whole day of charters with just my 70-200 f/4, and a 24 f/1.8. When I look at most of my real keepers, they were shot at 24mm. I like them because you see more of the side of the locomotive than you do with a longer lens.

So far, I am finding that in terms of usefulness, the above list of primes shakes out like this:
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In that order. The 35 is a nice walking around lens. The 20 is great in museums, engine houses, etc. The 24 is great for run-bys. The 85 is nice for portraits. And the 50 is really not good for much of anything.

Just my experiences. I will say this, the IQ that you get with primes is really good. They're lighter too!
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I still like this version better. I may not have looked at it again if the other shot hadn't been rejected, too.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...83&key=2138231
Well.....I guess I can see the screener's point that there's not much of the lit side of the train visible, and 611 does have a very dark nose.....but geez, this shot has a lot of other things to offer such as the plume, the signals, the station environment, etc. In my view, this shot definitely has more appeal than some of the other back-lit 611 stuff from last weekend, which may have exposed slightly more of the side of the train, but didn't have much in the way of interesting elements beyond that. I lean toward saying you got robbed.

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The Markham shot probably comes closest to your's Joe. His may be just a tad brighter, but his scene balances a little better, whereas yours is a bit heavy on the right with the tall plume and signals, and leaner on the left with the low profile station. Still, similar angles with similar light.
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After looking at my shots of that location, I picked the wrong spot... that 45 minute delay in leaving really put the sun higher than I was expecting and I did not adjust.
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I still like this version better. I may not have looked at it again if the other shot hadn't been rejected, too.

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The right side is great, but the left side is dismal. It is one thing to have the nose in shadow, another to also have an entire station in shadow.
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I still like this version better. I may not have looked at it again if the other shot hadn't been rejected, too.

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Do you have one with the train closer to you? I think that could work. I don't think this works as well where you placed the train.
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The right side is great, but the left side is dismal. It is one thing to have the nose in shadow, another to also have an entire station in shadow.
Looks to me like a good candidate for an 8 X 10 vertical crop...
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There's been a lot of backlit shots of this weekend accepted, expecially of the morning run on sunday, because literally ALL shots were backlit or sidelit on the run from Spencer to Charlotte.
Leading right up to reason #2 why I won't waste my time submitting photos to RP.net - because even their own stupid "rules" aren't consistently enforced, which just gos to show that they shouldn't be "rules" in the first place.
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Leading right up to reason #2 why I won't waste my time submitting photos to RP.net - because even their own stupid "rules" aren't consistently enforced, which just gos to show that they shouldn't be "rules" in the first place.
Their 'stupid rules' have never been official stupid rules. RP has guidelines. I can't find anything about the 'rules'. I do see generalized guidelines with language that allows a photo by photo interpretation of such guidelines.

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Looks to me like a good candidate for an 8 X 10 vertical crop...
I thought the same thing.

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IMO, Ryan's shot nails the exposure and contrast, hands down.

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Leading right up to reason #2 why I won't waste my time submitting photos to RP.net - because even their own stupid "rules" aren't consistently enforced, which just gos to show that they shouldn't be "rules" in the first place.
Where do you post your photos? I would be curious to see some of them.
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I likely would not have noticed except for following this thread but did a double take,
"didn't I see this before". They should do something about that old smoke stack before it falls over.

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I likely would not have noticed except for following this thread but did a double take,
"didn't I see this before". They should do something about that old smoke stack before it falls over.

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I like it; it is a good solid 3/4 shot with plume and signal with good processing.

What would make it even better is some detail on the nose and to have the whole plume. The plume is steam's greatest signature and truly adds to the dynamism and power they exude.

This one of mine was rejected for backlit and unlevel. I got in on appeal.

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The original was much looser; I cropped but maintained the plume. I jacked up the front exposure but that may be too much for some. Having the powerful tools of digital and no way being able to do this shot on color transparency film, I couldn't help myself.
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Repeating the obvious. The minute we get hung up on "rules" (or guidelines or whatever) we're in trouble. Rules and guidelines can be helpful as a learning tool, a starting point. But rules are made to be broken. Broken rules are often what makes a great image standout. Good photogs know when to break them, the rest of us produce decent technically proficient images (if we're lucky). But the photographer is really only an intermediary, what really is important is what works for the viewer. And not everybody loves a Picasso.
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If "their" guidelines are so stupid and you have an obvious dislike for the site / you don't feel inclined to submit your photos to the site, why bother about visiting the RP forum?
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Looks to me like a good candidate for an 8 X 10 vertical crop...
Totally agree. In my mind the issue is far more composition than back lighting, the backlighting is what gives the image drama, but the dark station area really detracts. The screener hit the wrong button, so what's new.
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Rules or guidelines, it would be hard to make the case that people concerned about posting here do not have them in mind when shooting and obviously processing. Even when I post some historical images, it is OK, nose goes here, crop this much, take out some if the distinctive hue, clone out some weeds, sharpen so much, etc.

It is nice that some exceptional photos or photographers rise to level to be exempt but when we look a 97 or 125 photos in a day(if we do) and see similarities then.....

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I will be there again Memorial Day weekend. Apparently signals are still up at Webster, Villamont, Blue Ridge and Montvale.

Webster and Montvale have replacements up, but not cut in, and unknown if that will happen before 5/31...
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Webster and Blue Ridge fell today. The rest will be gone in the next 2 weeks. So plan your shots accordingly..

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Ok, their "stupid guidelines."
I really dislike Hardees (Carl's Jr for you western folks), but I don't visit there to talk about how much I dislike them.

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I really dislike Hardees (Carl's Jr for you western folks), but I don't visit there to talk about how much I dislike them.

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