Old 10-19-2011, 11:31 PM   #1
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Used the nifty fifty for this one, a lens I rarely use for rail photography. I wanted to go outside the box a bit and show a different perspective at this overshot location. Wanted to show some depth, and some distance/ height at the same time by creating a shallow dof. But I guess my approach was wrong. I appealed stating exactly the above but no go. I'm a bit rusty as of late because of work, getting married, etc. I'm not on top of my game. Either that or tastes have changed here. I personally love the shot. Don't care if it's not in the db but wouldn't mind showing it off on the db either. opinions kind gents?

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Old 10-19-2011, 11:36 PM   #2
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Waaaaay too much foreground.
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Thanks for reminding me to add J,

I have a lot of room all around. The very top of the trees had sun but the better part of the scene is in early shadows. Didn't think it looked ill post an original when i get home.



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Why is it grey?
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You don't wanna see the color version.....
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Ben,

Rather than appealing, I think I would've came here first. I like that you tried something different at a common location, however this exactly attempt just doesn't work. You neeed more contrast for this type of depth of field perspective to work. This really isn't a black and white. It's lacking some contrast. Among other issues, it is a little blurry/soft, especially on the train and building to the left of the lead locomotive. The focus appears a little off. In addition, I do think there is a lot of foreground, out of focus foreground at that, but that doesn't scream as one of the problems at first.

Congratulations on getting married! I saw the photos on Facebook. Looks like you had a good photographer there, who just so happens to be a RP'er, too!

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Well, I'll try to fine tune it a bit. Can't do much with the technical issues, I dunno.

And thanks. Yup, Tom's a good friend, fine choice for our photographer.

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I think it's a very interesting shot. My only complaint would be a little too much foreground. The loco and building are sharp enough for me. The focus may be right on if you had the lens wide open. What were your settings? I would like to try something similar.

It reminds me of a simulated miniature done with a tilt-shift lens.
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1.8....ISO was a tad high. It was pretty dark. Even at 1.8 and high ISO I could only pull off I think 1/250? Again, I'm on my phone right now, can't pull up settings.

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50 1.8 has about the worst bokeh of any lens ever...

That said, it's an interesting shot. I dont think B&W works however. Maybe if you retried the conversion, needs more contrast at any rate.

One other thing, looking at your shot, I am glad I didnt go up there today, looks like the leaves are all blown off the trees, and if they arent, they will be after tonight.

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1.8....ISO was a tad high. It was pretty dark. Even at 1.8 and high ISO I could only pull off I think 1/250? Again, I'm on my phone right now, can't pull up settings.
Your exif says 1/500 at ISO 160. That's not too high

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Troy, read the trip forum. I live an hour in half from the patch near the base of the hills and the wind was outrageous today while in the brown truck. Right now the rain is coming down hard and the wind is going crazy again.

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the canon 50 1.8 has decent bokeh.
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the canon 50 1.8 has decent bokeh.
Compared to what? An iPhone? A pinhole camera?
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I've seen much worse. This was the first photo I found with any bokeh in it:
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the canon 50 1.8 has decent bokeh.
I can't name a lens worse than the nifty fifty in that area.

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As to the shot in question, I liked it when I saw it on Facebook a few days ago. Maybe needs less foreground as previously mentioned, but I could go either way on that. I'm not sure about the focus on the lead units. I'd expect the numbers to be a little more crisp, but maybe I just need my glasses on.
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Nah, some of those cheap lenses from the 60s and 70s, you could get really strange bokeh..jagged edges, swirls, etc. I use the nifty fifty a lot and never even noticed it one way or another.

EDIT: This thread on a manual focus forum shows some odd bokeh: http://forum.mflenses.com/strange-bo...es-t30915.html

Back to the main point, I don't think the photo in question was rejected b/c of the inherent "bokehbility" of the lens.

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Old 10-20-2011, 06:11 AM   #18
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Um......

I think it has way too much foreground and the Bokeh really doesn't do anything to draw your eye to the train.

Usually, one would use a Bokeh effect to highlight a subject in front of a background, such as:

Bee on Yellow Rabbit Bush

I am not really sure how the blurred foreground accomplishes that.


As for contrast - you are missing some white in your frame.

To make a proper B&W shot, there must be some point on the image where you have total black and some point where you have white that is the same color as the border.

Most people don't know this anymore because they have never made prints off of B&W negatives, but that is how it is (was) done.

If you have the extremes, you will get the correct contrast through out the frame.

I do commend you for trying something new, as I too am bored with the repetitious 3/4 wedgie shot that seems to predominate main stream rail photography.
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