Old 02-06-2008, 12:30 AM   #1
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CSX stands for "State Name Here" or "To Be Decided."

When Chessie and Seabord Systems were merged, they combined the first two initials because they didn't want either of the older companies to be subjicated to the new company. The X was added in this "temporary" name I believe because it seemed modern and made for a good stock symbol.

Well, no one ever got around to coming up with an official name and CSX stuck, like a common law marriage. Weird thing is that X at the end of a reporting mark indicates a non-railroad, so CSX's reporting mark is CSXT.
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Old 02-06-2008, 12:43 AM   #3
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I'm glad BN and SF didn't follow thier example... BSX.
That would just be alot of BS multiplied.

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Old thread...

http://forums.railpictures.net/showthread.php?t=2551

Note that I have found several sites out there that claim it means Chessie-Seaboard-Express, which is totally false (the X doesn't even make sense)...
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I think there was an argument, probably an ex-post justification, that stated the X indicated multiplication and the combination of C and S would be more than the sum of the parts.

In math terms, C+S < CxS



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CSX stands for "State Name Here" or "To Be Decided."

When Chessie and Seabord Systems were merged, they combined the first two initials because they didn't want either of the older companies to be subjicated to the new company. The X was added in this "temporary" name I believe because it seemed modern and made for a good stock symbol.

Well, no one ever got around to coming up with an official name and CSX stuck, like a common law marriage.
Following on to this thought, when "CSX" was officially adopted as the company name, they re-wrote the slogan.

Chessie-Seaboard and 'X' is symbolic of "Together We're So Much More"
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http://www.trains.com/trn/default.aspx?c=a&id=274

Here is a link to an article by trains magazine that explains most of it.
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In other words, CSX is an after thought.

It's the combonation of many varied and unique railroads, most of which had distinct personalities, all which now form a nameless, faceless railroad where no one really knows where the name came from. They came from two of my favorite paint schemes, Chessie System and Seaboard System, plus many other nic schemes, to come up with......

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Joe's point is well taken... think about what is inside CSX --

Conrail (1/2)
Chessie System
Seaboard System
Chesapeake & Ohio
Baltimore & Ohio
Western Maryland
Seaboard Airline
Atlantic Coast Line
Louisville & Nashville
Clinchfield
Pierre Marquette
New York Central (most)
Reading (some)
Pittsburgh & Lake Erie (at least parts of it)
plus more....

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Joe's point is well taken... think about what is inside CSX --

Conrail (1/2)
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New York Central (most)
Hey, if you are going to mention both Conrail and NYC, how about giving some love for the Penn Central!

It and Chessie were "my" railroads growing up.
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Hey, if you are going to mention both Conrail and NYC, how about giving some love for the Penn Central!

It and Chessie were "my" railroads growing up.
Too dangerous to do on the Internet. I've said nice things about the worms in love before and had flames shot at me from everywhere. My dad was very anti PC too, having worked for the PRR. But like you, I did grow up with them and am nostalgic now.

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As a small correction, CSX only gained 42% of CONRAIL, slightly less than half.

In my mind, I don't see CSX and NS as having taken NYC and PRR respectively.

Given that those lines had all been merged into CR before CSX and NS were in the picture, I see it as one big part of CONRAIL that was broken up.

CSX and NS are the executive agents for CONRAIL Shared Assets, New York Central Lines LLC and Pennsylvania Lines LLC. The latter two companies are not actually related to the original NYC and PRR except in name. The companies were established during the assignment of CR assets to financially manage the former CR properties as directed by CSX and NS.
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As a small correction, CSX only gained 42% of CONRAIL, slightly less than half.

In my mind, I don't see CSX and NS as having taken NYC and PRR respectively.

Given that those lines had all been merged into CR before CSX and NS were in the picture, I see it as one big part of CONRAIL that was broken up.

CSX and NS are the executive agents for CONRAIL Shared Assets, New York Central Lines LLC and Pennsylvania Lines LLC. The latter two companies are not actually related to the original NYC and PRR except in name. The companies were established during the assignment of CR assets to financially manage the former CR properties as directed by CSX and NS.
You should have whatever perspective you have... but from my point of view

There are CSX trains on all the old New York Central lines where I grew up. There are CSX signs on a lot of the New York Central property too.

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You should have whatever perspective you have... but from my point of view

There are CSX trains on all the old New York Central lines where I grew up. There are CSX signs on a lot of the New York Central property too.
That's fair, I wasn't suggesting that CSX/NS didn't own the properties, only that it's a very interesting business structure that often lends itself to misunderstandings of exactly how CONRAIL was "de-mergered".
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That's fair, I wasn't suggesting that CSX/NS didn't own the properties, only that it's a very interesting business structure that often lends itself to misunderstandings of exactly how CONRAIL was "de-mergered".
I agree 100%.

Intestingly the two small Erie (then Erie Lackawanna) branches right next to where I grew up were split. One is now Norfolk Southern, one is now CSX.
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While talking to a CSX employee, he told me it stood for:

Not only "Crash, Smash and eXplode" or "Conrail's Southern eXtension" or "Chessie Still eXperimenting", he told me the true meaning was "Chessie System, Seaboard System and eXtras" for all of the other railroad brought into the combination that formed CSX. In later years, CSX was required to have a 'T' at the end of the name, because they were not a leaser or holding company anymore.

Fun Fact - CSX was originally going to be named "Federal American Railroad Transportation Systems (FARTS)."
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Fun Fact - CSX was originally going to be named "Federal American Railroad Transportation Systems (FARTS)."
That's the DC Metro you're talking about.

Two new subways were started in the 1960s

Bay Area Rapid Tranist and Federal Area Rapid Transit.

BART kept the name.
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While talking to a CSX employee, he told me it stood for:

Not only "Crash, Smash and eXplode" or "Conrail's Southern eXtension" or "Chessie Still eXperimenting", he told me the true meaning was "Chessie System, Seaboard System and eXtras" for all of the other railroad brought into the combination that formed CSX.
Until recently, I always thought Chessie System was the joining of C&O and Seaboard System. That name only made sense to me.
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Until recently, I always thought Chessie System was the joining of C&O and Seaboard System. That name only made sense to me.
You must be much younger than me.

Chessie System was around for years before Seaboard System. For awhile, the railroads that were going to become Searboard System were Family Lines.
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You must be much younger than me.

Chessie System was around for years before Seaboard System. For awhile, the railroads that were going to become Searboard System were Family Lines.
40. But I didn't start paying serious attention the trains until a year or so ago. Before that, I always just watched, rarely took pictures and never read publications. I've owned several railroad books for years, but I always just looked at the photos and never really read the information that came with them. I guess I just thought that they took "Chessie" from Chesapeake & Ohio and "System" from Seaboard System.
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40. But I didn't start paying serious attention the trains until a year or so ago. Before that, I always just watched, rarely took pictures and never read publications. I've owned several railroad books for years, but I always just looked at the photos and never really read the information that came with them. I guess I just thought that they took "Chessie" from Chesapeake & Ohio and "System" from Seaboard System.
When Penn Central was still around I thought Penn Central was just a more modern way of saying Pennsylvania Railroad.

I even just remembered reading a book about the New York Central/Pennsylvania rivalry and thinking that Pennsy changed its name to Penn Central to be better than New York Central. Wow - that was an unexpected flashback.

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