Old 09-24-2007, 03:09 AM   #1
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Once again I'm delving into a subject I haven't a clue about!

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does it need more contrast, or less? Or am I an doofus for trying this in the mountains of southern WV?

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Old 09-24-2007, 03:11 AM   #2
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Have you even try adding some contrast to the photo?
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Old 09-24-2007, 03:15 AM   #3
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Have you even try adding some contrast to the photo?
I increased contrast by a value of 12 in IRfanview, which is a normal amount of adjustment in my photos.

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Old 09-24-2007, 03:38 AM   #4
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I increased contrast by a value of 12 in IRfanview, which is a normal amount of adjustment in my photos.

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...and?

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Old 09-24-2007, 03:44 AM   #5
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...and?

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well if it was accepted, this post wouldn't be here right?

the rejected photo linked above had a +12 boost of contrast, which is why I'm wondering where to go with it.. I don't have the critical eye for glint, so I'm trying to learn how its supposed to turn out.

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Old 09-24-2007, 03:58 AM   #6
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What I was trying to get it was that the photo was rejected for bad contrast so I was trying to tell you to play with the contrast to see if the photo improves.

I think the biggest problem, like you originally said, is that you're in the mountains. As you probably know, glint typically works best on flat ground so you can get the sun when it's very low. In your photo the train and ground look underexposed but the sky looks possibly overexposed. I've never shot in mountains so I can't say for sure.

Like I said, play with the contrast and see if it improves. A lot of people make threads about a rejection asking for advice on how to improve the photo even though they already have the advice; the rejection reason.

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Old 09-24-2007, 09:47 AM   #7
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I would think less contrast, not more. The shot has sort of the look one sees in artsy stuff where it is intentionally made unrealistic.

But actually, this shot is one of those for which no obvious solution comes to mind, sorry. Hopefully someone else sees something and I will learn from this one.
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What I see as the problem is that there's too much black and not enough glint. The cars in the train seem especially bad for this, as they have ribbed sides - Thus reducing glint and increasing shadows which one might call distracting.
Here's a recent going-away glint shot I got on. There's no shadowed hill in the background, and the train is almost all glinting. Also, I think there's less contrast than in yours, and it's a bit brighter. The exhaust on yours works quite well, however.
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I think I agree with the others on this one, the train itself seems way too dark for my liking really. Maybe if the wagons had smooth edges and if the locos were a more carbody style, it could work there, but in this case it just hasnt turned out unfortunately.

Here is a recent one of mine from the Central Queensland coal fields in Australia, the smooth edge wagons glint a lot easier than corrigated edges:
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What I see as the problem is that there's too much black and not enough glint. The cars in the train seem especially bad for this, as they have ribbed sides - Thus reducing glint and increasing shadows which one might call distracting.
IMO, glint shots turn out a lot better when the shot is actually of a backlit train coming at you. I have never actually gotten a chance to upload any shots like this to RP, but my son really likes this kind of shot and has been patient enough to be able to get a couple on.

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The good part about it is that, even though the covered hoppers have ribbed sides, he's a good distance from the cars since the locomotives are first. The majority of the glint comes from the locomotives, so the excess shadows from the hoppers aren't near as evident. It's also best to have the sun as close to straight down the side of the train as possible, which that shot illustrates well. The sun is barely out of view to the right, making the shot almost directly backlit.

Note that in that shot, the train was stopped which allowed him to position the glint perfectly. Had it been going track speed and he had to get it that close to the crossing, it probably would have been a lot tougher to capture the glint effectively.
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Note that in that shot, the train was stopped which allowed him to position the glint perfectly. Had it been going track speed and he had to get it that close to the crossing, it probably would have been a lot tougher to capture the glint effectively.
Yeah, it would be nice to find a parked train and have enough time to set up the glint perfectly. This shot below is my first REAL glint attempt and submission, and I was fortunate with the timing and angle of the sun as the train sped toward me.

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(only 45 views since this morning...I guess no one likes my glint shot. )
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47! One of which is me.
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Thanks! I forgot to mention...I drove about 80 down some country roads to get that shot, too! (actually, when DON'T I drive that fast to get a shot? haha)
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Will have to try some glint shots again sometime. My early attempts (a few years ago) yielded such poor results that I didn't even bother submitting them here.
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I've never been a glint shot fan, but I do have a couple (note: these are from a couple of years ago with a 2MP PnS; different standards then):
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I've always been more of a fan of backlit B&W shots than the glint ones!
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I guess glints shots aren't that popular on RP, but I've always been a glint shot fan. I guess everyones taste's differ.
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With glints, if you've seen one, you've pretty much seen them all. Due to this, glints, like random wedgies in nameless locations, won't do well view-wise unless there's something special to set it out from the others. With that being said, I love glint shots too, and tomorrow I am heading for the Needles Sub, the glint shot capital of the world! Hopefully an opportunity presents itself for a nice shot.
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Not to eat my own words:

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Nice lean into the curve, Chris!
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What about this? I haven't submitted it....yet...



I particularly like how the old beast is attempting to emulate a steam locomotive.
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What about this? I haven't submitted it....yet...



I particularly like how the old beast is attempting to emulate a steam locomotive.
I like that too! This shot would probably get accepted, but I'd like it a lot better if the lead engine "popped" from the trees like the freight cars do.
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