Old 10-31-2010, 08:56 PM   #1
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Question Kit Lens Upgrade

I currently have a Canon Rebel XTi with the 18-55 kit lens, and I am not happy with the quality. I eventually want to upgrade my telephoto zoom lens to the 70-200L. With this in mind, I would like a lens of good quality (better be considerable nicer than what I have now), for a price under a grand, that covers most, if not all of the 18-70 range.

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Old 10-31-2010, 10:29 PM   #2
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I was very happy with my Sigma 17-70, I do recall that someone here (Joe?) liked his a lot less.

"Under a grand" does mean you can buy the superb 17-55 IS, albeit that leaves you a bit short on the long end.

I have read lots of strong opinions in favor of the Canon 15-85 IS and that is certainly a lens to give serious consideration, and have a hundred or two left over in comparison to the 17-55 IS. 15 vs 17 is a huge difference at that end, well worth having, and of course 85 is way beyond 55. Being an owner of the 17-55, I have not found it quite price effective to have the 15-85 lens also, but tempting.
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I do have an update on my opinion of the Sigma 17 to 70. I'm getting the hang of it a lot more now. I'm not entirely sure if it's the lens or me that's changed. But most of my most recent shots on RP and Flickr have been taken with it. Of course, it is the only lens of mine that isn't broken.
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Hard to say but If it was me keep the lens and get a 28-70 F L 2.8 or 24-70 F 2.8 L Used ones can be had for less then $1000.
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Hard to say but If it was me keep the lens and get a 28-70 F L 2.8 or 24-70 F 2.8 L Used ones can be had for less then $1000.
I'll second this. Check out KEH.com for used glass, you can get some good deals through there and they're a reputable outfit (I usually buy through them, although I buy strictly new equipment).

http://www.keh.com/Camera/format-35m...c=55900&r=WG&f

The 24-105 f/4L IS is $1,059 on their currently brand new, just a hair above your grand limit - that would be another good one to look at.

I'm sure I'll get flamed by others for this, but if you're serious about your photography for the foreseeable future, stick with L lenses (or at least the better quality regular Canon lenses). Third party lenses, such as the Sigma 17-70, seem to be hit and miss...some here love them, others here have ditched them within a year or two with little good to say about them (focus problems seem to be the common factor in the case of the Sigma 17-70).
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The 24-105 f/4L IS is $1,059 on their currently brand new, just a hair above your grand limit - that would be another good one to look at.

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Anyone with a crop-sensor camera and a desire to shoot things that are a wee bit wider than tall (trains! trains!) should seriously consider avoiding a lens starting at 24 or 28mm unless they also have an ultra wide and they don't mind frequent lens changes.
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Anyone with a crop-sensor camera and a desire to shoot things that are a wee bit wider than tall (trains! trains!) should seriously consider avoiding a lens starting at 24 or 28mm unless they also have an ultra wide and they don't mind frequent lens changes.
Hence why I bought my 17-40 f/4L...in practicality however, it sees relatively little use. I've considered dumping it for a regular Canon lens that's a bit wider, but since a full-frame upgrade is still on the horizon for me, that's not a practical option either. I've used my 17mm on a friend's 5D Mark II before though - it feels almost like a fish-eye in terms of how wide it is. It still does see occasional use too, so it's staying in my camera bag (the 24-70 f/2.8L remains my workhorse).

I really don't mind the lens change myself - I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of flexibility for the sake of quality - hell, were money not an issue, I'd be shooting with primes. "If I had a million dollars..."
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When I went for a DSLR (Canon 40D) I started with a 24-105 F4 L which covered most of the range I usually shoot and has IS for low light static situations. I then added a 17-40 F4 L to cover wide angle, and finally a 70-200 F4 L for long range stuff. I doubt I'll need another lens for quite some time
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I love my Sigma 17-70. It seems to do better on my 40D than the 70-200 4/L IS, which is a shock. Granted, both 70-200 4/Ls I have (non-IS and IS) do better on my XT than my 40D and I don't know why...
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I have a Sigman 17-70 that I first started using on a Rebel XT and now use on my 40D.

It's a brilliant lens, and I think the different focusing system on the 40D does work better with it than the Rebel XT did... but in both cases, I found it to be better at focusing than the Rebel kit lens was.

I'm sure you could get better quality by spending a lot more money, but if you want a lens at a reasonable price, the Sigma 17-70 is my vote (from a man who has been shooting Canon since 1980).
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There is a canon EF-S 55-250 and 18-200 that are OK from what I have heard, cheaper than the 70-200L as well.
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I do have an update on my opinion of the Sigma 17 to 70. I'm getting the hang of it a lot more now. I'm not entirely sure if it's the lens or me that's changed. But most of my most recent shots on RP and Flickr have been taken with it. Of course, it is the only lens of mine that isn't broken.
Of course. The day after I type this, the Sigma completely blows a shot I really wanted of the L&C.
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I'll second this. Check out KEH.com for used glass, you can get some good deals through there and they're a reputable outfit (I usually buy through them, although I buy strictly new equipment).

http://www.keh.com/Camera/format-35m...c=55900&r=WG&f

The 24-105 f/4L IS is $1,059 on their currently brand new, just a hair above your grand limit - that would be another good one to look at.

I'm sure I'll get flamed by others for this, but if you're serious about your photography for the foreseeable future, stick with L lenses (or at least the better quality regular Canon lenses). Third party lenses, such as the Sigma 17-70, seem to be hit and miss...some here love them, others here have ditched them within a year or two with little good to say about them (focus problems seem to be the common factor in the case of the Sigma 17-70).
Well, I have seen the results of L glass, and I am convinced that it is the best, however for a 14 year old student with no income, I think they'll have to wait. That 24-105 sure as heck is tempting though!
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Old 11-06-2010, 11:27 PM   #14
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The 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 USM II is a good bargain lens you can find used for under $200, the 70-210 f/3.5-4.5 USM is also a good non-L bargain lens you can find for around $200 used.

Note, there are other versions of these lenses, dont buy them, they are not as good.
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If you can find one a 70-200 f2.8L non USM Make that an 80-200! can be had cheep? and is sharp as a tack.
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I am always a bit hesitant in telling someone to go for a brand like Sigma, or a company other than Canon/Nikon. I've been tempted, for the lower price and similar quality results, but ultimately, I've always taken the Canon route. There are several possibilites under a grand.

One that sticks out immediately is the 17-40L, a lens in the $770 neighborhood. While it isn't for the exact focal length you're looking for, it's certainly a very nice lens.

Obviously, I'll recommend the 24-105L, priced for just a hair over 1K. That's a great lens.

While you did say you were on a limited income, saving up for "L" I think would be your best bet. Might take a while, but definitely worth the investment.

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If you can find one a 70-200 f2.8L non USM can be had cheep? and is sharp as a tack.
I think you are thinking of the 80-200L which has been discontinued for like 15 years. It has an excellent reputation, but im not sure finding one would be easy
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I think you are thinking of the 80-200L which has been discontinued for like 15 years. It has an excellent reputation, but im not sure finding one would be easy
Yep they show up used sometimes, Slower to focus but trains are at the far end, At infinity mostly. I seen one 80-200 F2.8L NON IS and no tripod mount going for $751.00 at KEH just now. This is worth jumping on IF one can live with out IS! As soon as Canon invented USM drives they redid this lens for the pros.
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Of course. The day after I type this, the Sigma completely blows a shot I really wanted of the L&C.
Just how is your camera set up? Thinking you have it set for focus tracking? If less then 70MM you can set to infinity and with DOF get all in focus and don't mess with AF at all. If your closer than Infinity pre adjust before hand and shoot. I would try it as you cant do worse can you? Test shots sharp? Tripod needed? Unless it's the lens it can be made to get sharp photo's! I do think it's is the chip in the lens not talking to the camera thats getting you Joe! Something one gambles on buying sigma I do think Tamron has less trouble with that too or not at all. I had a Sigma flash that worked with my film cameras but not my digitalis, Not on M ether.
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I'd second the recommendation to go with the 24-105 f4L and keep your kit lens for when you need the wider angle. I think you'd find the 24-105 range a great walk-around lens that you'd rarely take of your camera. And not only does KEH have a new one for just a shade over a grand, they have an excellent condition used one for a shade under $900.

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You could always get a 17-40 f/4L and a 50 f/1.8. Those combined are just under 900. That way you'd have most focal lengths covered when you get you 70-200, and you can get something like a 24-105 in the future.
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Like I said, a used 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 USM II is the way to go if you are on a budget. It is better than the 28-135 IS in the IQ department and lighter and cheaper. And it does not have the barrel distortion at the wide end like the 24-105. I always thought the 24-105 was kind of overpriced for what it was, but Canon seems to be joining Nikon when it comes to overpricing their lenses these days. The 70-200/4 is a real bargain.

The suggestion of the 17-40 and 50/1.8 is kind of a silly suggestion.
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Under a grand? Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 EX HSM. Great lens!
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Several people have mentioned the Canon 28-105 F3.5-4.5 USM lens. Since I don't have the money at the moment for L glass (thanks, John Deere) like the 24-105, it is my current choice for that range. I only rarely switch it out for another lens, and that's usually my 75-300. Even though I'm using a crop-sensor camera, I don't find myself using the 18-28 range of my 18-55 very often for railfan photography. Landscape stuff is another matter - once I've saved up my pennies I'll get a 5D Mk II and a 16-35 or 17-40 L lens for that stuff. At any rate, I've been happy with the results I've gotten from the 28-105, and considering I was able to pick mine up used at a local camera shop for under $90, it's definitely been a good deal!

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The Canon EF-S 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM might be worth looking at. At $720 it fits your budget and gets good reviews.

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